bearklr after seeing where you are from i can see that the hunting would be differant. tons of farm land a lot of private property to hunt. you are very lucky to live where you are. i am from mckean county where the deer numbers are low and the numbers of hunters are very high. these are two things that do not go together very well. i am not kidding about guys mobbing differant areas up here. sometimes it gets down right nuts in the area. little by little the fun is being taken away from the sport. last year on the first day of rifle season i did not hear twenty shots up to noon and i don't believe i heard more than ten in the afternoon. i just don't know what to think anymore. the pga just keeps saying that the deer are here but they are getting smarter. i have found out that the deer are so smart around here that walk threw the woods and never leave a track and that they must be going down to the creek now to relieve themselfs because there are very few if any droppings in the woods. it is a whole differant world up here than in the lower counties.