870 remington express mag with remington 3in nitro mag with 1 5/8oz of #4 shot...anything within 50 yards i feel i can take...i feel i can take ones head off at 20 yards easy with the pattern i got at 30-35....i wont shoot one past 40 just because the pellets dont have a lot of energy...but i bet i could! i cant wait...last year in january or febuary we were looking for a new spot for srping...there was a flock of over 50 birds feeding! they shgould be there in the fall too....can go far theres only 100 acres or so with roads on 2 sides and houses in the other 2 ends....