I've used judo points on blue grouse, dove and rabbit. All shots have been with in 25 yards. The judo, and arrow, went all the way through every thing except two of the rabbits, and those hit dirt behind the rabbit before the arrow got all the way through. I've shot judos at all kinds of "targets" while in the field as yardage estmation practice and I have yet to ruin one. The only one that I have lost was on a grouse that I shot out of a tree, the arrow went all the way through and I never found it.