Stealthycat, I could care less about Howard Hill or Fred Bear, I am an Ishi fan.If you have any questions on Ishi or paleo/archaic artifacts, feel free to ask. I will even quote you prices on the artifacts. How's that for being ignorant, missinformed and opinionated? Did I attack anyone personally in my last thread? No I merely commented I did not care for slow arrows. I threw in the "Quote this" because I think it is funny how much people use it on this forum and no matter what I said I knew it was coming. Slow arrows do have one great advantage if you are a good archer you can use the trajectory to shoot over brush. But for most people that is probably an unethical shot too! If people are so worried about personal choice in equipment maybe they should legislate new restrictions on hunting equipment. The ones in my state are kinda scary. 40#minimum at full draw. You can use a device to hold at partial or full draw. Projectile points cannot be poisoned, drugged or explosive. Broadheads must have two cutting surfaces and be at least 7/8 inch on impact, mechs are the same specs and must open on impact. Nothing about arrow weight, kinetic energy needed for mech's or ethics. I notice the one controlling factor no one ever mentions is animal movement. Say I have a rangefinder, I look at it and the deer is 30 yards. By the time I put my rangefinder down and draw, the animal has moved towards me. What then? Do I let off and look through the rangefinder again? Or do I take the shot if it is a high percentage shot? If I am guessing is that unethical?