I am not arguing that the 17hmr is a good yote gun i already stated i didn't think it was a wise choice. As for Mr. Missed another you are begining to annoy me slightly. Why not admit that you were wrong instead of making false accusations that i have fabricated this story. One single shot to the head at 30 yards and remember it like yesterday because it was the first kill with my new toy. I have been on this forum slightly longer than you and have a pretty reliable reputation going here, i feel i am a good enough hunter that i do not have to make up stories and will surely admit when i am wrong. Nothing burns me more than someone calling me a bull chitter. You ain't seen it all buddy, there may be some thing that you actually don't know so if i was you i would be welcoming new information instead of calling it a lie. As for your 200 yard plus with a 22 i am not about to call that bs. I personally have not seen it, but then again i have never tried it, or never been around anyone who has so i keep an open mind, i suggest you do the same.