Sir, I know you have had the best advice from the best of the hunters and breeders. I, too, would like to offer my opinion. We hunt, compete and raise Llewellin setters. They are the Walking hunter's bird dog. They range 40 to 60 yards infront of the hunter. They are medium sized, affectionate and extremely easy to train. If you are consistant with basic obedience and treat your dog with respect, he will give you his guts in the hunting field. All of our dogs swim and retrieve to hand. We would be honored to show you this breed for your consideration. Mrs. Mare Reardanz, Blackstone, Illinois