if its for defense its really not good enough i like to be able to stick my head in the wound channel and see what kind of damage i did <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

you can use your pepper spray my 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs works fine