GS, I forgot where in NY you are from. I was born and raised there and I am heading back for a week in June with my daughters when they come to visit me for the summer. Now back to elk. Normally we don't see the bulls coming, but ALOT of times we can hear them coming. It sounds like a steam roller coming at you. I live for elk hunting. I saw around 300 elk last weekend while I was roaming the woods. They all looked pretty good to me. Especially the young bull who just lost his antlers. He was standing at 60 yards with about 2 feet of grass hanging out of his mouth. It was a heck of a sight.