RE: not coming in close enough
Pistol pete,
I'm assuming there's nothing there to hang them up.Like a creek they won't cross a deep gutter or anything like that.Try scratching in the leaves and call lightly.In the past the leaf scratching sealed the deal on hung up gobblers.Also try a decoy set up with a hen/jake combo.
Would your screen name by chance be named after pistol pete maravich?