I'm just curious what types of groups you are getting with your hunting rifles at 100 yards. I was out the other day with my Savage 110 with the Accutrigger in .30-06 and I was only able to get the 5 shot group down to about 1.75". Most of the groups were in the 2" range. I see tests in the gun mags and they are getting MOA groups a lot of times. Makes me think I'm doing something wrong, but I know I'm not.
B=Breathe
R=Relax
A=Aim
S=Squeeze
I'd like to know what you are getting and what you consider unacceptable at 100 yards.
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Escaped from CA on July 2, 2005
Everyone on the internet claims to have sub-moa rifles. The vast majority do not. Most rifles shoot 1-2" with factory ammo which is more than acceptable for hunting in most cases. A rifle must consistently shoot sub-moa 5 shot groups for it to be a sub-moa gun. If it does it on occasion, its not a sub-moa gun. Most shooters are not qualified to consistently shoot moa.
I agree that most probably exagerrate a bit with regards to accuracy. I'll also say that most rifles are inherently more accurate than the people who squeeze that triggger. I know what my rifles will do and what they won't. I have a Win Model 94 that will only shoot 5" groups at 100. To me this is terrible, but I did bag a doe at 85 yards with it last year. I'm trying to sell it right now so that I can get something more accurate in the same lever action design, such as a Marlin 336. After many attempts at groups, over 80 shots to date. This rifle is just not a good shooter for me.
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Escaped from CA on July 2, 2005
well it depends, I have a savage 99 that about 1 1/4 is the best its ever shot, and I have a couple that I expect to be in the .25 MOA range most of the time, my lighter weight, thin barreled carry guns can open up to an inch or more, but a bolt action? if it won't do sub 1 MOA I'll send it someplace to have it fixed, if it can't be fixed (which doesn't happen) or is not worth the cost to have it fixed, then I'll unload it somewhere. Got a ruger #1V 22-250right now, that shoots ok, but not good enough and I'm thinking of selling it.
RR
I am with Ridge Runner repeatable 1" or better for my main used CF's. Not a requirement for hunting but rather the shooter. I used to dislike shooting paper but I overcame that fear and have worked hard to become a good paper shooter, I just expect a certain level now. I handload and since do so finding absolute accuracy has been a much easier task, not to mention it forced me to deal with my paper punching and enjoy shooting.
This is the first 3 shot group from this rifle, it has since shot groups as small as .08",
I do not shoot 5 shot groups, most of my stuff are high intensity hunting cartridges and I see no sense wasteing custom barrels punching paper. I have5 rifles which shoot in the .2's all but one I dumped alot of money into them to ensure they would shoot.
The rifle that fired the above group, when all was said and done consumed about 3 grand, not worth it to alot of folks, but money well spent to me.
RR
I was doing some work on the farms Saturday, decided to check my rifle...Set up my bench and went out to 250 yards, shot twice, got on the 4-wheeler to check, I had one shot an inch to the left, one an inch to the right and both were one inch low of the center of the bull...I put it up.
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RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
I have spme trouble swallowing a lot of the stories that show up on here about out-of-the-box rifles that shoot sub-MOA with factory amminition. Now, I'm not saying ther aren't some out there, but this forum seems to contain almost all of them that were ever made. Yes, some custom manufacturers and even an off-the- shelf brand will claim to guarantee MOA. This, however, is not the case for the everyday Remchester that we hear so much about. If you don't handload, and don't get your 6lb. trigger fixed, those sub-MOA's are mostly listed under "Fiction".
What group size is your rifle shooting?
. I used to dislike shooting paper but I overcame that fear and have worked hard to become a good paper shooter, I just expect a certain level now. I handload and since do so finding absolute accuracy has been a much easier task, not to mention it forced me to deal with my paper punching and enjoy shooting.
it has since shot groups as small as .08",
