You guys worry way to much about the Ultimate ML. Ive used it for a second time recently. Its very old outdated technology. It has nothing on a Nula. And to be honest, on the bench the Knight Mountaineer is better. Even though i don't like the Mountaineer, on the bench its pretty darn good. As far as the association its been corrupt for a couple years now that i know of. Its all about changing the rules so Bestil (Jeff) doesn't win. They should just ask him to retire from it and let someone else win. It would be so much easier and the association wouldn't look so bad.