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Red Hawk 03-26-2009 10:14 AM
speaking of animals
 
When I saw CC post few pictures of Golden Eagles, it reminded me of a couple of videos I saw few days ago. Not really graphic but does show how cruel nature is sometimes. I was impressed by the strength of the birds.


GE taking down deer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b10hCeRtfjc

GE vs goat in the cliffs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbb9ZAW3fyg

Steven McBee 03-26-2009 12:13 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Wow , How big are these birds! it took that deer and flipped it

Canadian Chic 03-26-2009 07:48 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 

ORIGINAL: Steven McBee

Wow , How big are these birds! it took that deer and flipped it
they are enormous. we saw a stuffed one at a museum and it was set up like it was flying down to catch a rabbit and it was all stretched out and it had to be at least 7-8 feet or more from wing tip to the tip of its feet

-CC

bushdoe 03-26-2009 08:30 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Much bigger than a bald eagle. I think they have one white spot under each wing when fling above.

Red Hawk 03-26-2009 09:06 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but theyare the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)

mossbergman11/OH 03-27-2009 04:19 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but theyare the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)
ya there cool we have lot of them. my friend shoots them becasue they kill his chickens

Canadian Chic 03-27-2009 08:40 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but they are the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)
ya there cool we have lot of them. my friend shoots them becasue they kill his chickens
thats illegal here, if you get caught doing that you are HUGE trouble. you get in huge trouble even if you are keeping one as a pet without a proper license.

-CC

skybuster20ga 03-27-2009 09:36 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
mossy do you eat chicken?

Steven McBee 03-27-2009 11:56 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Canadian Chic

ORIGINAL: Steven McBee

Wow , How big are these birds! it took that deer and flipped it
they are enormous. we saw a stuffed one at a museum and it was set up like it was flying down to catch a rabbit and it was all stretched out and it had to be at least 7-8 feet or more from wing tip to the tip of its feet

-CC
yea that thing looked double the size of that deer

Bowtech 360 03-27-2009 12:03 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Wow, that is huge

Red Hawk 03-27-2009 12:12 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but theyare the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)
ya there cool we have lot of them. my friend shoots them becasue they kill his chickens
I must admit, I was little urked when I read this. I don't know if killing red tailed hawk is legal in Ohio or not, but for your friend's sake, he better find out because if it is illegal, he is looking at a major fine, maybe jail time but most likely fine.

sachiko 03-27-2009 12:28 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
You can use one to hunt with here if you are a licensed falconer and have trained under a licensed falconer. The bird has to be captive bred. Killing or molesting a wild raptor in any way means jail time in Michigan.

Your friend may be tempting fate

Bowtech 360 03-29-2009 04:53 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
yea I would beat up your friend mossy, thats not cool legal or not, chickens are cheap

mossbergman11/OH 03-29-2009 05:58 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but theyare the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)
ya there cool we have lot of them. my friend shoots them becasue they kill his chickens
I must admit, I was little urked when I read this. I don't know if killing red tailed hawk is legal in Ohio or not, but for your friend's sake, he better find out because if it is illegal, he is looking at a major fine, maybe jail time but most likely fine.
sky i do eat chickens lol why?

red im not the one shooting them.
he shoots them becasue they kill his livestock that they spend a lot of money on and when the hawk kill them they loose money. i dont see that as a problem becasue they are nuisance on his land. if sonmeone was just shoting them for fun; then that would be a big problem

sachiko 03-29-2009 09:38 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Red Tailed Hawks aren't the biggest, but theyare the most beautiful ones of all the hawk family :)
ya there cool we have lot of them. my friend shoots them becasue they kill his chickens
I must admit, I was little urked when I read this. I don't know if killing red tailed hawk is legal in Ohio or not, but for your friend's sake, he better find out because if it is illegal, he is looking at a major fine, maybe jail time but most likely fine.
sky i do eat chickens lol why?

red im not the one shooting them.
he shoots them becasue they kill his livestock that they spend a lot of money on and when the hawk kill them they loose money. i dont see that as a problem becasue they are nuisance on his land. if sonmeone was just shoting them for fun; then that would be a big problem
Out of curiousity I checked out the Ohio DNR website regarding the Red-Tailed Hawk. It says, and I quote, "These birds are extremely beneficial. It is illegal to kill them."

Your friend needs to wise up.

bowmanaj 03-29-2009 11:14 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Yea, you can't kill Red Tail Hawks in Ohio, or a lot of places for that matter. Try asking your friend to not kill them anymore. Can't he use some chicken wire and a little elbow grease and make a coop/pen?

mossbergman11/OH 03-29-2009 01:38 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: bowmanaj

Yea, you can't kill Red Tail Hawks in Ohio, or a lot of places for that matter. Try asking your friend to not kill them anymore. Can't he use some chicken wire and a little elbow grease and make a coop/pen?
well he free ranges them during the day, and thats when they kill them.
they were on vacation one time and when they got back; all 30 of their chickens were dead. so the hawks are a big problem
and i think hes only killed one or 2. he takes pot shots at them with a .22 (i know, another stupid thing) and almost always misses. hes a dumb

Red Hawk 03-29-2009 02:02 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
I think you are missing the whole point. Whatever reason seems 'right' to your friend, it is illegal and he can get into serious trouble with the law. As your friend, you should tell him what he is doing is illegal.

mossbergman11/OH 03-29-2009 03:59 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

I think you are missing the whole point. Whatever reason seems 'right' to your friend, it is illegal and he can get into serious trouble with the law. As your friend, you should tell him what he is doing is illegal.
ill talk to him

sachiko 03-29-2009 04:15 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: bowmanaj

Yea, you can't kill Red Tail Hawks in Ohio, or a lot of places for that matter. Try asking your friend to not kill them anymore. Can't he use some chicken wire and a little elbow grease and make a coop/pen?
well he free ranges them during the day, and thats when they kill them.
they were on vacation one time and when they got back; all 30 of their chickens were dead. so the hawks are a big problem
and i think hes only killed one or 2. he takes pot shots at them with a .22 (i know, another stupid thing) and almost always misses. hes a dumb
How does he know they were dead? How does he know they didn't just wander off?

And firing a rifle, even a .22, into the airis an incredibly dangerous thing to do. Where in the world are his parents while this is going on?

Red Hawk 03-29-2009 06:51 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Good point from DLG as well; I missed the part about shooting .22s

Canadian Chic 03-30-2009 03:29 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

well he free ranges them during the day, and thats when they kill them.
they were on vacation one time and when they got back; all 30 of their chickens were dead. so the hawks are a big problem
and i think hes only killed one or 2. he takes pot shots at them with a .22 (i know, another stupid thing) and almost always misses. hes a dumb
common sense says if somethings not working for you then change what your doing. he should use use bowmanaj's idea, if they free range just make a big enclosure. if they invest a lot of money into them, then at least that would keep them from getting killed.

-CC

Canadian Chic 03-30-2009 03:32 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 

ORIGINAL: daddyslittlegirl

You can use one to hunt with here if you are a licensed falconer and have trained under a licensed falconer. The bird has to be captive bred. Killing or molesting a wild raptor in any way means jail time in Michigan.
my boyfriend and i were thinking of going to get our falconers license but its a lot of money involved in getting your license and after, but it would be a neat thing to be able to do one day.

-CC

mossbergman11/OH 03-30-2009 01:25 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Canadian Chic

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

well he free ranges them during the day, and thats when they kill them.
they were on vacation one time and when they got back; all 30 of their chickens were dead. so the hawks are a big problem
and i think hes only killed one or 2. he takes pot shots at them with a .22 (i know, another stupid thing) and almost always misses. hes a dumb
common sense says if somethings not working for you then change what your doing. he should use use bowmanaj's idea, if they free range just make a big enclosure. if they invest a lot of money into them, then at least that would keep them from getting killed.

-CC
that would defeat the purpose of "free range" then

Red Hawk 03-30-2009 05:09 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
The point CC (and as well asBowman)were pointing out, was that your friend should make compromises, which is not letting them 'free range' and keep them in pen so they do not get plunked by my beloved Red T Hawk :)


(assuming 'free ranges' does in fact mean running out in open)


I found this regarding killing Red T Hawks in Ohio

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/species_a_to_z/SpeciesGuideIndex/redtailedhawk/tabid/6916/Default.aspx

mossbergman11/OH 03-30-2009 05:17 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
you guys are beating the dead horse. i COMPLETELY understand what hes doing is illegal.

bowmanaj 03-30-2009 06:58 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
It really isn't hard to make something forthe chickenswith T-posts and chicken wire. I know its not you shooting hawks, but just a suggestion for your buddy. Butler county is only about 25 minutes up the highway, I would be happy to donate an old plywood coop. I just don't like the fact that redtail hawks are being shot. I understand the free-range deal with the chickens, we have free range guinea hens..But maybe there is another way so that he doesn't shoot hawks

Bocajnala 03-30-2009 07:27 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
sprinkle cayann(sp??) pepper all over your chickens!!!! The hawks wont like it anymore!
-Jake
HAHAHA

Canadian Chic 03-31-2009 09:14 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

ORIGINAL: Canadian Chic

ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

well he free ranges them during the day, and thats when they kill them.
they were on vacation one time and when they got back; all 30 of their chickens were dead. so the hawks are a big problem
and i think hes only killed one or 2. he takes pot shots at them with a .22 (i know, another stupid thing) and almost always misses. hes a dumb
common sense says if somethings not working for you then change what your doing. he should use use bowmanaj's idea, if they free range just make a big enclosure. if they invest a lot of money into them, then at least that would keep them from getting killed.

-CC
that would defeat the purpose of "free range" then
ah ha really? how stupid do you think i am?

obviously it would defeat the purpose of free range. im saying that instead of shooting a bunch of hawks, when they are only doing something that is natural for them, save yourself a lot of future time and money, a build a pig pen. the chickens probably dont care as long as they can go and peck around and do their thing even in a closed in area i dont think its going to matter! i realize its not you, but your buddy cant complain if he is doing nothing, and shooting hawks isnt doing something.


Red Hawk understands what everyone is trying to say
The point CC (and as well as Bowman) were pointing out, was that your friend should make compromises, which is not letting them 'free range' and keep them in pen so they do not get plunked by my beloved Red T Hawk
-CC

mossbergman11/OH 03-31-2009 03:29 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
you do realize that this whole area would need a TOP ON IT and that would be very time consuming and costly. if i were him id just get one of those hawkers license or whatever you were talking about so he can legally kill them when they kill his chickens. or just make them not free range.

Red Hawk 03-31-2009 03:41 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Regardless of having license, killing of red T hawks is still illegal.

I have hunting license, but that doesn't give me or anyone legal premission to kill something protected by law.


Not trying to beat the dead horse on it, however, your friend should re-think about shooting hawks and just the idea he is literally putting the chickens on the table for birds of prey if he isn't willing to make compromises.

mossbergman11/OH 03-31-2009 05:00 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
no what i was saying is he should get one of those hawking license things so he can kill hawks legally.

and red i dont really disagree with you on this one

bowmanaj 03-31-2009 05:48 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Mossbergman..Did you watch channel 5 news by chance today? There was a Cooper's hawk just hanging out in front of the stationary camera that overlooks the city of Cincinnati, up there for hours.I guess its a pigeon/rat killer. Out here, we onlysee them perched along the highway.Anyway,it would be nice if your buddydidn'tshoot any type of hawk, there has got to be some other way to fix the problem.

Canadian Chic 04-01-2009 07:32 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
you do realize that this whole area would need a TOP ON IT and that would be very time consuming and costly. if i were him id just get one of those hawkers license or whatever you were talking about so he can legally kill them when they kill his chickens. or just make them not free range.
why are you getting so defensive. if you going to post something like, 'my buddy shoot hawks because they have been killing his chickens which by the way are free ranging' you do realize that there are going to be a lot of people that are very upset about someone shooting something because its causing a problem when the problem can be fixed up without a lot trouble.

there are a lot of people who post topics on here who either want help with a problem or just post something that is obviously going to cause some sort of controversy or people are going to try to help with the problem, and then the person who posted it in the first place shoots everyone and their advice down, which upsets everyone.

when you go to get your hunting license its so you can help in the conservation and preservation of all wild animals, which is why there are laws in place to aid in the process. nothing gives you a license to shoot an animal protected by law. and BTW the falconers license give you the ability to breed, house and hunt with hawks and eagles, not shoot and kill them.


ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Regardless of having license, killing of red T hawks is still illegal.
I have hunting license, but that doesn't give me or anyone legal premission to kill something protected by law.
Not trying to beat the dead horse on it, however, your friend should re-think about shooting hawks and just the idea he is literally putting the chickens on the table for birds of prey if he isn't willing to make compromises.
and since red hawk is the only one you wont argue with then listen to him. he understands exactly what everyone is trying to say.

-CC

Red Hawk 04-01-2009 04:18 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
ORIGINAL: Canadian Chic

you do realize that this whole area would need a TOP ON IT and that would be very time consuming and costly. if i were him id just get one of those hawkers license or whatever you were talking about so he can legally kill them when they kill his chickens. or just make them not free range.
why are you getting so defensive. if you going to post something like, 'my buddy shoot hawks because they have been killing his chickens which by the way are free ranging' you do realize that there are going to be a lot of people that are very upset about someone shooting something because its causing a problem when the problem can be fixed up without a lot trouble.

there are a lot of people who post topics on here who either want help with a problem or just post something that is obviously going to cause some sort of controversy or people are going to try to help with the problem, and then the person who posted it in the first place shoots everyone and their advice down, which upsets everyone.

when you go to get your hunting license its so you can help in the conservation and preservation of all wild animals, which is why there are laws in place to aid in the process. nothing gives you a license to shoot an animal protected by law. and BTW the falconers license give you the ability to breed, house and hunt with hawks and eagles, not shoot and kill them.


ORIGINAL: Red Hawk

Regardless of having license, killing of red T hawks is still illegal.
I have hunting license, but that doesn't give me or anyone legal premission to kill something protected by law.
Not trying to beat the dead horse on it, however, your friend should re-think about shooting hawks and just the idea he is literally putting the chickens on the table for birds of prey if he isn't willing to make compromises.
and since red hawk is the only one you wont argue with then listen to him. he understands exactly what everyone is trying to say.

-CC

I was reading Leah’s post and I wanted to add few points, more directly to the situation then anything. If someonecomes into hunting site and telling us that friend is committing the crime of shooting and killing at bird that is legally protected by law, like it isn’t real big deal was rather sickening and naturally it is going to piss people off. Almost everyone in here does hunt I assume, so as hunter and law bidding person, it is our civil duty to take the correct step to help prevent law breaking, let alone give the PETA and other animal rightsactivities groupsmore reason to try to exploithunters as blood thirstybigots. Now, I’m not saying lets go tackles an armed robber or anything of that nature, no. Just calling the law enforcement is that correct step. As for this current situation since it is friend involved, let him/her know that killing animal protected by law, is indeed a crime. If thatstep fails,well, calling the law enforcement is the only other opinion.

I will be honest as always. Again, in regards to the situation that is being discussed. If I lived in Ohio and saw the person shooting at hawks, let alone any type of animal protected by law, I would have called the PD immediately.

skybuster20ga 04-03-2009 06:42 AM
RE: speaking of animals
 
my high school was the sacopee valleyHAWKS and we were awesome

bayou_buckslayer 04-14-2009 03:50 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
wow thats freaky but cool:) thats awesome

moosehunter30 04-14-2009 07:46 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
Believe it or not golden eagles actively hunt for coyotes and foxes regularly. They also drop mountain goat kids off cliffs, which is why they tend to stay beneath the mother lol

moosehunter30 04-14-2009 07:48 PM
RE: speaking of animals
 
there are no wolves in this video they are coyotes, just some random eagle vid on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GoEalfyMqM


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