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RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

I Never said the .22 centerfire had more killing potential, I said

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Wound channels are what kills and a pass through is a bigger wound channel. bigger bullets also leave bigger wound channels,

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The .22 centerfires are just as poisonous to deer as any other caliber.

I never said a .22 centerfire is better, on relatively small game like a deer or antelope you will not see a difference in killing power. they both will kill with great results.
I told you I agreed with everything you said except the energy part. Energy, TKO, bullet momentum, stopping power, etc etc. are all theory's and are a complete farse they have no real face value on killing.
Wound channels are what kill, period. Ive, beaten this horse enough. Knives, arrows, and hand guns have no energy to speak of and they all kill. Why ? WOUND CHANNELS The destruction and disruption of tissue, hemoraging , loss of blood pressure, bleeding etc.

Gorse

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By the way, something that you are clearly NOT aware of..... Einstein and Newton operated in the same world - with the same physical laws - just as you and I. There are, my good man, only ONE set of these rules, which govern us all, even you.

Gorse

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Yes, there has been a debate in the physics community as to how energy is MEASURED - which is the crux of the article you have expended so much effort in bringing in. That doesn't, in any way, prove that "energy is only a theory"

You boldly claim one thing and then turn around and say something else. So which is it ? Even scholars dont even know which THEORY is right.

Gorse

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So you can cut and paste an article from another website. It would be impressive - if unique - but anyone can do this. It doesn't mean that you understand it - or really know what it means.

Gorse

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Way to argue, just like an 8 year-old. What will you use next - "my daddy can beat up your daddy" ? Childish.

Aint that the pot calling the kettle black.

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

The big problem with the 22 centerfires is that even the 60 grain bullets have a sectional density of only 171. That is not really enough to hang together and penetrate. To much expansion for reliable penetration. I have taken deer with the 60 grain Partition which because of its constuction, has the ability to perform beyond the average 22 centerfire bullet. I would use a 22 centerfire sparingly with the Barnes X bullet, Trophy Bonded Bearclaw or Nosler partition only.

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

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Thank you. Well and concisely said. No one is saying that 22 center fire cartridges can't kill deer but their rapid and sometimes explosive expansion on impact make them highly unreliable when it comes to penetration. They were not intended for large game animals and that is why many states have banned their use for deer sized animals.

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

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ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC

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The negative post to the use of the .22 cal centerfire have obviously never used one. on the other hand they probably think it is perfectly ok to hunt deer with a bow or .50 cal muzzle loader. A .22 center fire with open nosed or hollow point bullets is beyond the shadow of a doubt more adequate than any bow or muzzle loader as well as some widely accepted cartridges such as the 30-30.

Larry ,I think the common misconception here is the difference between a .22 centerfire and the .22 rimfire (long rifle). I believe the majority here are thinking of the rimfire , which is no doubt a very unethical (and illegal in my state) choice for deer.Oh and by the way , I'll get much better penetration from my bow than you'll get from any of your .22 centerfire rounds on
deer![8D]

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Fanatic do you realize how foolish I could make you look by stating that you can get better penetration from your bow than I can get from any .22 centerfire round!
If you believe that,I have some prime ocean front property in WV that I will sell to you.

Larry, Remember: fences and pens = SLOBS!

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

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Give it your best shot Larry!;) I'm not just babbling. Theres been more than one study to prove this. It included a 5lb bucket of sand and many different calibers against a heavy kinetic energy setup bow and the bow won hands down every time.
Dont believe me? Pop on in the Technical forum and ask anyone to post a link.;)

I dont have time to search for it at the moment.

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

bowfanatic i can tell that you have never shot .223 with a copper jacket. i don't believe you have any idea what they are capable of. [:'(]

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I also bow hunt and I believe that a .22 centerfire will have better penetration than a bow. Shoot a deer in the shoulder with a bow and you will not get a pass through. Do the same with a .22 centerfire using a good bullet and it will blow through both shoulders. I know because I have done it personnally. I have read tests that showed a .220 swift pierce steel that a 30-06 was unable to do. But then see gel tests that show the 30-06 to have more penetration. Go figure ?

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Shoot a deer in the shoulder with a bow and you will not get a pass through.

Really?

I've done it myself , and I've seen it done plenty of times with high kinetic energy setups. I was shooting aluminum arrows at the time producing 73ftlbs of kinetic energy.

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bowfanatic i can tell that you have never shot .223 with a copper jacket. i don't believe you have any idea what they are capable of.

You may be correct on the "copper jacket" round. The tests weren't done with armour piercing rounds.:D

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

I doubt you actually hit the shoulder bone.

RE: 22 Cal To Shoot Deer

to put it simple , i shot a deer with a 22-250 this past firday , shot it in the head , my 55 grain nosler ballistic tip went the whole way through the head , follwed the spine down , and went into the chest , blowing the heart out. The deer dropped without a kick , also that day , i finished off a deer for my buddy with the gun , and almost blew the head entirely off with a shot to the high neck.

Although it works , i wouldnt use it as my gun of choice for a 300 pound saskatuwan buck. but for doe hunting or jsut a nice versitile caliber for a kid to use , a 22-250 works like a charm.

Also i was shooting it out of a thompson center encore 24 inch bull barrel . Did the job for me!