chi vang attorneys will use self defense and
12-24-2004, 10:54 AM
#161
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: minnesota USA
Posts: 411
RE: chi vang attorneys will use self defense and
[quote]ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Onebullet-
I don't quite know what you're trying to prove here... I'm sure that the prosecutor's complaint is drafted casting the information available in a light most favorable to the state. I'm also sure that there is evidence/testimony that the prosecutor finds damaging, and said evidence will be omitted and left for Defense to uncover. Remarkably, the Defendant's testimony is largely omitted. Generally, this particular complaint spins a tale as told by the two survivors. Note that hardly any of the Defendant's own testimony is referred to in the complaint.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
you didnt read the whole thing than did you?- its right at the bottom after the charges-i am not trying to prove anything read my signature--here it is ---IGNORANCE ONCE DISSPELLED---IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RESTABLISH.
or should i draw you a map to where i am at with this?? I know the legal system just as good as you believe it or not! and you have some valid points but that doesnt make it right...
Onebullet-
I don't quite know what you're trying to prove here... I'm sure that the prosecutor's complaint is drafted casting the information available in a light most favorable to the state. I'm also sure that there is evidence/testimony that the prosecutor finds damaging, and said evidence will be omitted and left for Defense to uncover. Remarkably, the Defendant's testimony is largely omitted. Generally, this particular complaint spins a tale as told by the two survivors. Note that hardly any of the Defendant's own testimony is referred to in the complaint.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
you didnt read the whole thing than did you?- its right at the bottom after the charges-i am not trying to prove anything read my signature--here it is ---IGNORANCE ONCE DISSPELLED---IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RESTABLISH.
or should i draw you a map to where i am at with this?? I know the legal system just as good as you believe it or not! and you have some valid points but that doesnt make it right...
12-24-2004, 12:45 PM
#162
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location:
Posts: 477
RE: chi vang attorneys will use self defense and
ORIGINAL: Unclebuck 300
Been watching this discussion since it began and have several comments...
First, my belief is that he is guilty of the charges and that he did in fact murder these six people in cold blood. His stories, as published, have changed several times and none of them are justification for what he did.
He is NOT entitled to use the self defense claim after he had shot four people and the other two come riding up on an ATV with a rifle and attempt to defend their friends. He murdered them as well, no self defense what so ever.
He is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty under the rights of our country. I am glad I'm not on the jury because there is no way in hell I could provide this person with that presumption of innocence.
Insantity Defense. This in my opinion as well can be thrown out the window, because an insane person would not take the time to better camoflauge himself, turn his jacket inside out etc. It was a consious act of trying to get away and protect himself. While the insanity defense is not saying he is not-guilty and only means he gets to go to a hospital instead of a prison it has many drawbacks. Look at Hinkley. Shoots the President and he is out on supervised visits. I want the guy in jail / dead, not out enjoying the holidays with his family.
I guess what it all comes down to, is it is an emotion based issue that very much should be, but the facts and reality are what should convict him and dispense the justice and as far as I can see, the facts justify a guilty conviction and jail/death.
UB
Been watching this discussion since it began and have several comments...
First, my belief is that he is guilty of the charges and that he did in fact murder these six people in cold blood. His stories, as published, have changed several times and none of them are justification for what he did.
He is NOT entitled to use the self defense claim after he had shot four people and the other two come riding up on an ATV with a rifle and attempt to defend their friends. He murdered them as well, no self defense what so ever.
He is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty under the rights of our country. I am glad I'm not on the jury because there is no way in hell I could provide this person with that presumption of innocence.
Insantity Defense. This in my opinion as well can be thrown out the window, because an insane person would not take the time to better camoflauge himself, turn his jacket inside out etc. It was a consious act of trying to get away and protect himself. While the insanity defense is not saying he is not-guilty and only means he gets to go to a hospital instead of a prison it has many drawbacks. Look at Hinkley. Shoots the President and he is out on supervised visits. I want the guy in jail / dead, not out enjoying the holidays with his family.
I guess what it all comes down to, is it is an emotion based issue that very much should be, but the facts and reality are what should convict him and dispense the justice and as far as I can see, the facts justify a guilty conviction and jail/death.
UB
well put! i couldnt have said it better!!!!!!!!!!
12-25-2004, 07:57 PM
#166
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 48
RE: chi vang attorneys will use self defense and
[quote]ORIGINAL: quiksilver
This is an ideal opportunity for his defense attorney to make his mark on the profession, and you bet he's set to take advantage of that opportunity.
----------------------------------------------------------
I make a mark like that from time to time.
It's usually found in my underwear.[
]
El Gringo
This is an ideal opportunity for his defense attorney to make his mark on the profession, and you bet he's set to take advantage of that opportunity.
----------------------------------------------------------
I make a mark like that from time to time.
It's usually found in my underwear.[
]El Gringo
