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Jessie:(:(:(
I know i'm not alone when I send all my prayers to you and your family from many folks here. There are many who will help. I'd get on a plane tonight if there is something I can do. Briar is in denial as anyone would be. I believe your father is to.Please keep trying to reach Briar, he needs your help. Let us know what we can do. Offline tonight but back tomorrow am.

Peace and Strength be with you and yours.

Wyatt

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Tragic, tragic, tragic...and the waters just seem to become muddier. There's no simple solutions here...I wish I had some magic words.

A couple of things though, to the hunter who acknowledged that they sometimes 'cough' to alert a hunting partner who isn't aware of their presence...NEVER DO THAT! Studies have shown that movements (waves), audible noises, throat clearings, whistles, coughs, and the like have led to numerous 'mistaken for game' incidents. Only the human voice should be uttered/shouted to alert nearby hunters.

Next, perhaps fear of the dark, becoming startled, or the fear of the unknown led to the lad's fatal and instantaneous decision to shoot...sadly.

As far as recommendation to the family (baty15jessica), this is all so very sad...my heart goes out to you. It remains an accident...tragic as it is. We all wish we could change it, but alas...we cannot. Unfortunately, your father doesn't seem to be capable of helping your family much throughout this ordeal, and it is a life altering ordeal.

Much like a previous poster alluded to, I too was hunting on my own from age nine, my dad grilled me on tripping/falling with the muzzle of my toy gun (plastic at age 4-5) to always be pointed in a safe direction while hunting with him, placing that toy gun safely in/out of the vehicle was also fundamental. Years later, I wasn't permitted to carry real firearms (loaded) until he had 'set me up' in my spot to stationary hunt. He put me through the ringer and slapped the crap out of me more than once. Firearms safety really became evident while upland bird hunting with birds frequently busting out between hunters/dogs...it's not an overnight lesson but rather ingrained. The worst aspect of the sport we love is that there is rarely if ever a second chance or a 'do over'...I wish there were.

If it's any consolation, I can only hope that your dad spent a great deal of time teaching your brother firearm safety, age isn't everything...as I happen to know more unsafe adults than I do young people. Let your brother know we understand and support him, for there's nobody who will ever feel worse than him. Encourage him to pay close attention to his counselors and in time...learn to forgive himself and to become a champion.

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Hello, This the mother of Jessica, Briar, Charly. and Dalton,
I want to first say thanks for all your thoughts. I know Brent better then he knows himself and I know that if one of my kids came running to me and said Dalton has been shot the first thing I would do is ask where he is not accuse him of killing him so that he is scared off and then I can't find him to see if he needs help, when the police arrived an hour later the boys where gone and it took another 30 mins. to find the boys and then another 45 mins. to walk to where Dalton was. To me I agree Brent may have been upset but there would be nothing standing in the way of helping my son. But, he didnt he just assumed that Dalton was dead he didnt know that until that was determined. The fact that Brents mom, Dalton's so called grandma accused and placed blame on Dalton be the result of his own death is so upsetting that It bothers me that she even has the oppertunity to be around my son Briar, He needs his mother and it is sad to know that Iam still not allowed to be there for him. Brent never even let me see my son's is what hurt and knowing that my son Briar needs me and his sisters. Brent wont let him around us. Last year the SRS found four counts of child abuse on Brent yet nothing was done. Theres alot of blame here. Jessica, is smart because I never stop pushing and letting her know that she is I also have an other daughter that is just as smart. Briar, needs to have the same oppertunities as the girls do. If you want to help don't stop teaching your children and dont let them do things that need your supervision on these sort of things and the use of a fire arms is something that even as an adult you need constant reminders of whats safe and whats not.

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Thats as sad as it gets! What a shame! I feel sick just thinking about it! I'm a father of five and My kids will have safty first drilled into thier heads over and over! To the rest of the family hang in there. It sounds like you all have a lot on your plates besides this tragic event! Stick together and be supportive of each other. You can and will get through this! As tragic as this accident is it's important to remember that it was an accident. It could happen to most people. There should have been some adult supervision there to keep those young minds on a level playing field! Boys will be boys and we ALL make mistakes. To the 13 year old who did the shooting. Nobody thinks you did this on purpose and we all feel very bad for your loss! Don't carry guilt or blame. This is not a perfect world and bad things happen to good people! Learn from it and do your best to be all you can be in life. Dalton would want that as I'm sure the rest of your family and friends do. Good luck to all of you!!! .. Jim

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Jessica,

You seem like a very mature and level-headed young lady. We are all very sorry for the all the circumstances that you are involved with. If what you are saying about your father's abuse and him calling your brother a fag and you and your sister sluts is true than he does not deserve the rewarding piece of his life that would involve a continued relationship with his children. Not unless there was an honest to goodness change in him. there is no excuse for any kind of abuse. I hope that you will have the courage to voice your overall concern for your brother with adults who do care and can help him and you. our prayers go out to you. please let us know if we can do anything we can do
Hb--chad

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I hope there will be no more of them as well. He was my son and it has taken me in to a life that I don't seem to want to be a part of. Not only has Dalton be taken from me forever but I never got to spend anytime with him since my divoce because the father wouldnt let me so it more then losing a son for me not to mention my son Briar whom his father wont let me see even now is something I have a hard time facing. My feeling of is he safe doesnt seem to let me rest at all.
A mother

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I hope you never have to feel the pain I have had to face with all of this. I loved my son very much and I miss him so very much. Dalton, was ten years old though. He won't get to see eleven not. But, thank you for the thoughts.
TB Daltons' MOM

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To KANSASDEERHUNTER, I agree with you you should never stop training it doen't matter if you pass or not, we send men/woman to war and they get more then ten hours of trainng. I understand that they dont have more then that but, they need refresher course every year at least for children and adults should be at least every two to three. You can never have enough training when Guns are involved.

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God bless, Jessica...hang in there and know that there are an awful lot of people who do care that you don't even know.

You sound like a special young lady - stay that way, okay? And onebullet makes a heap of sense...think about what he/she says, okay?

Take care of yourself; be strong, but let go, too.

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i am just a dude who cares

mom did you get the private e mail i sent to jess? if you send those names to that e-address
i will help and so will the guys and gals here

MAN you guys/gals are terriffic
keep lettin em know we care
GOD BLESS ;)

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I can see that onebullet...bless your heart. My heart aches over this story, too. Jess is lucky to have found you all. I'm "just a dudette" ;) that cares, too.

Blessings.

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THATS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE CAN SHOOT AT SOMETHING THEY DON'T SEE CLEARLY. THE SAME SENARIO HAPPENED HERE IN ARIZONA THIS SEASON, WHERE A SON SHOT HIS DAD THINKING HE WAS AN ELK. LOOK AND LEARN.. EDUCATION! EDUCATION! EDUCATION! MY HEART GOES OUT TOTHE FAMILY INVOLVED. GOD BLESS THEM.

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no i didnt where do i get the privite email.

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Statement retracted out of respect for family of victim...

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gossip!!!!!!! it sounds like a problem with the father and a mother grieveing to me!!

no i suppose they should just shutup in your opinion, keep it all inside, and it will go away what better forum than this- killed while huntin? ia m sure she came on the net to be someone she isnt- if you cant say anything nice-dont say anything at all -ya heartless bast--d
talk about some one presenting themselves falsely how about your birthday according to profile your a hundred + years old did you forget to die? its people like you who give hunters a bad name--------------------------what an a$$

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I'm with ya one. and thanks.
after reading these posts, I needed a good laugh.

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I agree with you as well onebullet--pocomoke that was a terrible thing to say about the jerry springer show. I think that it is a good thing for hunters and thier families to use this website as a resource for support. I generally don't consider people on here as demented as the general public, therefore I believe that they (the Batys) are real. and if they were not then shame on them. We are still doing the right thing, and ion the meantime--Shame on you
hb

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Statement retracted out of respect for family of victim......[&o]

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[quote]ORIGINAL: pocomoke
I recognize many of the authors on here based on their comments and repeatedly seeing thier username and I respect most of them, and until now, you were not one that stood out to me. If anyone is bothered by what you say, then, now, I would advise them to consider the source, as perhaps you should have done when we are talking about a young girl and a distraught parent and what they had to say. Until next time.........YOU have my vote for hall monitor of appropriate behavior on this website.
hb
this will be my last comment on this subject here as this was not what this thread was intended for.
hb

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pocomoke.. If you dont like it dont read it.. I was looking at the articles online about Dalton, and saw this site.. that I didn't even know existed.. and was reading all of the posts that were put on here.. and wanted to tell the story so that people know what actually happened... It means alot to me to know that there still people out there talking about it, and that care so much when they don't know me or my family. Also, why would I come on here and try and pretend to be some 10 year old dead boy's sister? He is my effin brother.... I also got an account, because I grew up hunting.. and with the people on here being hunters it made it easy to talk to them.. It helps to talk about it.. and the Jerry Springer show?...come on! That's bull... It seems you are the only one on here who has had a problem.. so maybe you should just not read this stuff and you'll be okay.. and so will everyone else...............

onebullet.. Thank you for your concern-and faith in who I am.. I sent you a private message.. But thanks again!

For everyone else in here who has kept my family in their prayers thank you for your thoughts and concern.. As said before it means alot to us. Thank you

Jessica baty

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May God be with you in your families time of need! Be strong. My prayers are with you and your family!

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Sometimes things happen and it seems there is no rhyme or reason as to why. Sometimes it takes years to figure out why and other times it may never be figured out. All we can do is take care of ourselves and those around us. You and your family are in my thoughts.

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My prayers are with you and your family.

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This is to pocomoke, I am who I say I am. Dalton is my son and I am not a violent person but dont ever doubt my mother hood. If you want proof bring your self her and Ill sure give you proof. As for my daughter she is honest and smart you have no right to tell her not to express how she feels, as for or personal life I have been told to keep my mouth shut for years on Brent ( my ex) and because know one would listen I have a son who will suffer for this for the rest of his life and my baby is gone. So you and know one else will ever shut me up again. Its people like you who doubted me for the past three years and now I have to live with tragidy for ever, My daughters miss the brother and worry about their other brother, not to mention, dealing with all the abuse they have endured over the course of life this far, so I ask you if you don't mind, DO NOT UNDER-MIND MY CHILDREN OR ME.

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bUT I WILL THANK YOU FOR RETRACED YOUR STATEMENT IF IT WAS MEANT ON THAT. TINA

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baty's-

you will be in my prayers, just don't shut out God for this tragedy, he has a reason for all things!
pray to him and keep him in your hearts!

and *welcome to forums*

as you can see most of us are really nice and helpful people, i had never belonged to a forum, and this is the first one i have ever used, and its the easiest, well laid out forum.

archer18

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AMEN-glad to meet ya archer18

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feeling is mutual onebullet!

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:Dhello Ancher18,
thank you I have never belong to these kinda things either until I started on-line school and we do things like this.
I want to thank you all for these wonderful, loving thoughts.
I will never forget there is a God, and I know that God has a reason, but I know God doesnt want us to sit on or brains on this either, I have to keep my kids safe and I have to make a stand.
I support the hunters of this world its not there fault, it is the fathers for not being there.
Safety is not something you take lying down. He said on channel 12 news out of wichita that he lets the boys go hunting all the time and trusted there judgement, every good parent knows that kids that age doesnt have a developed judgement they need there parents influence, I still do and Im 33. So who is to blame hereeeeeeeeee.

Dont stop replying everyone your thougths are helping one of my daughters.

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I pray for Dalton and Briar as well as both of you. What a terrible tragedy. It sounds like action must be taken to get Briar help, and out of the grasp of the father.
Let me know of anything that I can do. Or we can do.

God Bless,

Jim

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All of you that has asked if theres anything you can do well there is, write letters to the county attorney appling pressure that the inforce the laws on hunting with supervision.
The address is Maryla Ware
137 S. Walbash
Howard, Kansas. 67345
You all are hunters or wives of hunters and I believe that if we all pull together that something will be done on this. I need everyones help.
If any of you are part of the NRA, write to them.
They changed the age for hunting with an adult but they need to inforce the ones they have first. I hope I'm not asking to much. I will understand if you all don't want to get involved but stop and think what would you want if this ones one of your loved ones. I ask you from my heart as a mother that wants justice not revenge.
Thank you.
Tina

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mines on its way tina

: concerning adult supervision atten:marlys I am concerned over the death of dalton baty and also concerned for the well being of briar baty , please review this case with renewed vision and hindsight respectfully yours blah blah in behalf of safe guns owners everywhere i write my plea

this was my letter- says it all- feel free to copy and use remember its not the words its the volume of mail recieved that lets the county atty know how many of us are aware of this incident

I said i would help
we love ya jess stay in touch

GOD BE WITH YOU

PLEASE HELP ME 1 SON DEAD FROM UNDERAGE, UNSUPERVISED USE OF GUN NO CHARGES FILED
 

I WOULD LIKE EVEYONES HELP THAT BELIEVES THAT MINORS HUNTING WITHOUT SUPERVISION SHOULD NOT GO UN-NOTICED.
MY TEN YOUR OLD SON WAS SHOT AND KILLED WHILE OUT LOOKING FOR HIS BIG BROTHER CLOSE TO DARK, THERE WAS NO ADULT ANYWHERE. THE TWO OTHER BOYS' THAT WAS OUT THERE WERE ONLY 12, AND 13, HIS BROTHER HEARD A NOISE AND SHOT, WELL THAT SHOT KILLED MY SON, THE FATHER SAID THAT HE TRUSTED THERE JUDGEMENT. HE PLACED MY BOYS' IN DANGER AND THE LAW NEEDS TO ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE ABOUT HUNTING WITHOUT SUPERVISION, ALTHOUGH THE AGE HAS CHANGED TO 12 NOW IT WAS 14 AND THEY WERE NOT FOURTEEN. CHILD ENDANGERMENT IS CONCIDERED CRIMMINAL. THE LAW CHARGES PARENTS WITH CHILD ENDANGERMENT IF YOU DO NOT PUT A CHILD IN A SEAT BELT WHY SHOULD THIS BE TAKEN LIGHTLY, WELL I FEEL AS THOUGH IT SHOULDN'T. YES, I CAN'T BRING BACK MY SON BUT I CAN HELP ANOTHER YOUNG BOY OR GIRL AND IF WE PULL TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFERENCE. I DONT WANT REVENGE I WANT JUSTICE.
YOU CAN HELP BY WRITING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HER NAME IS: MARLA WARE,
HER ADDRESS IS 137 S WALBASH, HOWARD, KS. 67349
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS
MY NAME IS TINA