Introduce wolves and mountain lion to control deer
 

That is what was stated. I know the statement is wrong having read about this in the past. Help me get all the facts together so I can educate this person.

Thanks,

-Mike

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Tell them to ask a farmer if he/she wants lions and wolves introduced. They'll do the dirtywork for you.

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I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE, OR TALK TO YOUR STATE GAME DEPARTMENT THEY CAN GIVE YOU A LOT OF FACTS ON WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO THIS


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Let them read about the mountain lions in Ca. killing people, dogs, cats, sheep, and cattle. Like any predator a mountain lion finds it easier to kill sheep and cattle than deer.

The Tazman

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NO NO NO!!!!!!!! CAPTURE ALL OF THE DEER FROM OVERPOPULATED DEER STATES AND TRANSPLANT THEM HERE IN CALIFORNIA!!!!!! THE DAMN MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE STARVING OUT HERE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREAY ATE 75% OF THE MULE DEER IN THIS STATE!!!!!

THE COMMUNIST ANTI-HUNTERS HAVE OUTLAWED MOUNTAIN LION HUNTING IN THIS STATE AND DEER, QUAIL, RABBITS ETC... ARE ALL SUFFERING!!!!

-The only difference between CA and the Titanic is, the Titanic had a band!

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Hk45USP, that is why I left Calif. as soon as I could. It is really a different world.

SOTHRDNK

Edited by - sothrdnk on 03/07/2002 21:05:57

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I really don't think it is a good idea. Iike others said just ask farmers what they think and they will let you know. Farm animals are a lot easier to kill then a wild animal.

brian

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I certainly dont want wolves around here. But I think it would be cool to have a couple more Mountain Lions in the mountains of Western Maryland. To go with the ones that are already there, that the DNR says are not there. They came to the conclusion there are no cougars in Md. after seeing 3 videos of cougars in Md.

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Natty it took years, but I think VDGIF finally decided there are some in Va.

The Tazman

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Hey Drache, how about throwing the European predator in a land they haven't been in ever, namely our ancestors. Look what we have done to this landscape. Not "balanced" naturally but balanced for our secure needs.

I am not an Anti nor have significant Native American blood in me. I just have a Utopia in my mind that involves nothing man made. That is why I enjoy traveling to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area in northern MN. Solitude and the wolves howling nearby. Bears searching for food and not one has bothered us while camping in a balanced environment. If you go for a hike you will see where bears have turned over rocks and searched for roots in the ground.

I am surprised to see all of you deer lovers so against the predators we try to control, and have done a good job at it. I understand how vicious the mountain lion can be but if you carry the right tools you can fight back, even children.

I have an idea that someone can make some money off from. Put your hand in a fist position. Now develop a glove that would spread out steele needle like quills and would not harm you if you stood straight up and yours hands next to your body. Now fight back. Some of you will laugh and wonder when I left the insane asylum, but if you can envision it it would work. I know there is mace but then you are relying on the can to propell the liquid. Of course I didn't get into great detail but I wouldn't be afraid to do battle if that is all I had. We cannot or are not supposed to bring guns into the BWCA unless it is hunting season.

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Buckmine,,,,you're right. Your are "whacked"! I think you're stealing your idea from Freddy Kruger in "Nightmare on Elm St". He had your original idea. Guess what,,,didn't he eventually die too???

hahahahahahaahahhaahaha!!!!!

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A few years back the great and wonderful wisdom of our DNR here in Michigan decided to re-introduce wolves to the Upper Penninsula (U.P.). Since then they have spread over quite an area and the deer numbers have dropped drastically. Also, they have killed a number of farm animals, mainly cows. If a farmer loses an animal to the wolves, he can not kill the wolves, but must sit by and watch and then he can contact the DNR and they will compensate him for the lose of his animal. Now in areas with a high number of wolves, they have taken to praying on domestic dogs. A couple years ago a guy just north of where I live bought 2 black lab pups wih awesome pedigrees. He had great hope for these pups as woud be expected. He went out to feed them one morning and found one pup cowering at the back of the dog box and all that was left of the other was it's head. He had 3 wolves standing at the edge of his yard and even after yelling and bluff charging them they wouldn't leave. He had to buy fencing and make a big pen to keep his last pup in as the wolves were seen in and around his yard many days in a row. He called the DNR and they told him it was sad he lost his pup but there was nothing in the game plan to refund a person for a lost pet. Last year a local doctor was grouse hunting with his English Setter and had just returned to his truck when a wolf jumped out of the underbrus and attacked his dog. He ran up to the fight and fired his shotgun over top of the 2 and the wolf finally jumped off his bird dog, but refused to leave. He wrapped his dog up in his hunting coat and put him in the truck for the race to town and the vet. The wolf was still staring at him as he loaded up the dog. The fight was said to have lasted for less than a minute and yet the bird dog recieved over 100 stitches to put him back together. Again the DNR said it was an unfortunate incident, and the wolf was most likely defending it's territory. Also this past hunting season a guy lost one of his plott bear hounds to wolves. If you ask me, they are getting out of hand and someone needs to take responsibility for the damage they are doing to family pets in our area. If you deer hunt in this area and you hit one at dark and decide to let it go until morning to find it you will most likely find where a pack of wolves has just recieved an easy meal thanks to you. That happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago with a real nice 8 pointer. He shot it right at dark and waited until morning and when he found it all that was left was the skull and some hide. The way I look at it the wolf and the mountain lion are both beautiful creatures, however they were eraticated from this area for a reason and it should have been left at that. The DNR say that hunters wanted them brought back, yet I can not ever recall a vote to see if "hunters" wanted them here at all.

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Were the buffalo eradicated for a good reason?

Lets be afraid of the big bad wolf. Hunt grouse with wolves myself and never saw a one. I also don't here of these stories in northern Minnesota.

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Northern Minnesota? Then you probably aren't too far from Northwest Wisconsin where I'm from. The DNR states there are 178 or so packs of wolves in Wisconsin......248 wolves? Most of them being in the northern part of the state. And although I don't have any records of anybody being killed by a wolf in Wisconsin, there have been confrontations...and even deaths in other states and Canada. I don't think that arming myself with some thread and sewing needles is going to stop a pack of hungry wolves.

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Another thing is that many of the areas that have deer population problems are suburban. Try introducing predators into that environment and see how many predator/human encounters there are before there are complaints to get rid of the predators. The problem with deer is that they are highly adaptable and most of their natural predators are not.

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With the knowledge we humans supposedly possess how come we cannot be highly adaptable to an environment. We seem to destroy environments we encounter. As our own cells within our body turn against us, what we call cancer, we have done to this earth. In my opinion we humans are a cancer to this earth. We suck the life out of it without replenishing it. Example-oil. It will be gone someday and all of us currently don't care that our offspring will have to deal with it. It is the eighth grade mentality of thinking of the now and not the future.
Am I hypocritical? I would say yes, I drive a car and contribute to this demise. But at least I can understand that most humans think of the earth as something only for them and not nature. For once imagine what the future will be like for your offspring and not the now. I bet 100 years ago hunters could never imagine running out of room to hunt like they are out east.
All it takes is for your brain to think. Remember ours is supposed to be more complex than all others. I suppose some of you think of the movie "Indepedance Day" as a great movie. I see Native Americans laughing there heads of thinking, How come we couldn't kick the ass of the white people like they did the aliens in the movie.............

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Up here in the U.P the Dnr said all our wolves came from Minisota. really i and my famaly and several other people i talk to think they planted our wolves to kill the deer. one year their were no wolves and then next packs all over, and growing. yeah i think the dnr here planted them because of all the cars hitting them. IT worked our deer population is dropping dramaticly. I hate the wolves. good luck good huntin and god bless -wick-

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no experience with this topic but from several post sounds like it realy skrewed up some places. like most predators they will take the easiest pray wich domestic farm animals would be.

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Lions, wolves, (all predators) kill 365 days a year. NO SEASONS, NO LIMITS!!!!!!

If they kill a doe deer, antelope, or cow elk in the spring and they have little ones......they've just kill them all.

for every law thats passed - alittle freedom dies

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Lets just kill it all that don't suit our particular economic interest. The ranchers will be free to kill the deer and elk eating their winter range and haystacks, the outfitters willkill the wolves, cats, and bears for killing game, the chicken farmers can shoot the eagles and hawks, and as for the bison, well they're bout gone anyway, so no need to do much there. People keep spreadin' to all the empty places on the map, there won't be anywhere to enjoy the outdoors anyway. Already having population problems in national parks. Seems to me, there was a pretty good balance of everything until europeans, with their self-centered universe, started whacking everything so that they could eventually die in a land bearing no resemblance to its natural state. How many cattle are there in this world? Ever heard a wolf howl or seen a griz fishing? That's worth a few cows in my book, especially when they're taken on public, not private land. Won't be the same world without wilderness. I say thin out the damn humans! Yall can go buy your guns and outdoor gear at one of a million malls and spend your days playing with in in your new suburban condo. Yep, humans are way overrated.

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Buckmine,
We're a dyin' breed ol' feller. The narcassistic, consumptive mentality of white men will be the ruination of our world. Wish they'd open a season on ATVs and real estate agents. I'd get my limit every year.

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never!!

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Beav,

Thanks for the agreement. To all I am not here to solve all problems but am voicing my opinion on our natural world. I thank God that my father owns 120 acres and that I walk upon it like it was gold. Whenever I see a candy bar wrapper from a relative, because of them sitting in there stand and not putting it in there pocket, I pick it up. I don't go preaching to them about what they did. We all need to be smart enough about our natural world. Smart enough because we supposedly have the "superior" brains over all creatures.

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Let's be realistic. Very few states contain enough suitable habitat to support enough wolves and cougars to control the deer herds at their current levels. You can complain all you want about man being a "plight" on the planet, but we are here and we owe it to nature to take care of things the best we can with what we got. We need to remember, we all have to stick together or we may as well roll over now and let the ANTI'S have their way.

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Hey, hey, hey.........


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Call me stupid, but I really don't have a problem with wolves and deer. Wolves inhabit the area that I hunt. Any study that I've ever read shows that they feed mainly on the sick and old. In my area feral dogs pose a much greater threat. They don't fear man and kill for pleasure.

Dan O.

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OK, Stupid......what now? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

You asked for it and I couldn't resist.

Edited by - Toby from MO on 04/10/2002 20:34:08

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Ok lets introduce more wolves and lions no problem the population grows the wolves make a new packs the lions have a new home range and yes they control the deer and elk herds but then with todays hunting population we have less numbers of game animals to hunt. Now we have a problem alot of people less game to hunt and yes some areas will close and people will be congested in one area ok now we can`nt control the preditors because there a protected spiecies. Lets see whos foot steps in the door first ya right the antis and they take are rights away to hunt because there is not a viable species to hunt so then it gets protcted and put on an endangered list. You really have to way the PROS AND (CONS)to see the long term afect.
Just my opinion.

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Don't think the Anti's are not a &quot;plight&quot; on this earth. They contribute just as much or even more to the earths plight. We shell out more money to save the earth, more than they do. I realize this......

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Thanks for the responses everyone. I agree with most if not all of you.

-Mike

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The problem with not allowing predators to control wildlife populations and using hunters instead is that hunters normally hunt opposite to what the deer population needs to be healthy. When was the last time you heard a hunter brag that he used his tag to shoot a mangy old sick deer. Hunters tend to take the trophy deer. The ones that should be spreading their genes in the population.

Dan O.