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GroundHunter 08-10-2004 11:15 AM

Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
I posted some info. and a picture of a guys deer that hunts about 2 miles from my property early in the year. At the time, it was thought to be one of the largest "8 points" taken in Mississippi.

Well the official MS. scoring is in, and he made the record books, not as an 8 point, but a 13 point.

This deer grossed 176 2/8 and netted a score of 156. Dang shame for the deducts, because it truly takes away from a great deer. The B & C scoring system takes away to much. I would love to have this buck on my wall!!!

There was a lot of commotion over this deer and was scored many different ways. One scorer had it at 165. Anyway, the point is, B & C scoring does not do justice to the kill.

Here's a pic...



and here is the original pic than ran in the paper and was circulating via the internet....



The pic was totally deceiving, as you can see. But still a great deer!

cardeer 08-10-2004 12:48 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
Poop on them stupid deductions. It grew it it should be scored. How would them guys like to have deductions subtracted from their bone cause it aint perfect

Solax 08-10-2004 12:54 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
We sure that's the same deer? I mean, I see the little stickers on the bases but where's the split brow tines, where's the sticker on the right G-2? I realize different angles look different but the distance from the right brow tine to G-2 in the "after the kill" shot looks longer than the wall shot. It should be the other way around since the wall shot is facing that way.

I dunno, maybe it is but I wouldn't bet on it.

GroundHunter 08-10-2004 01:46 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
It's the same deer. What brought that up anyway? If you doubt what I am posting, then send me an email, and I'll give you specifics.

To explain simply, it's a totally different angle, and you can't see all the kickers in the bottom pic. As if I need to explain...........[:@]

bob d 08-10-2004 02:00 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
that is a whole big giant load of bull---- those two are not the same deer

look at all the rack and compare those are not the same

Epuller 08-10-2004 02:21 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
I would not doubt the post. It is the same deer. the quality of pictures is different but the same deer is pictured. One is a studio pic, after a mount for goodness sakes.
You can tell by the color markings on the crown, forehead and around the eyes for that matter...

GroundHunter 08-10-2004 02:22 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 

ORIGINAL: bob d

that is a whole big giant load of bull---- those two are not the same deer

look at all the rack and compare those are not the same
You calling me a liar? And the Mississippi Wildlife Game and Fish liars as well?

Cause if you are a betting man, I can arrange the proof, with the guy that killed the deer. Care to make a very large wager?

Rack-attack 08-10-2004 02:38 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
There is no doupt its the same deer........


Pretty obvious to me:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Greenhead Man 08-10-2004 03:15 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
lol you guys are as funny as hell.

Deerslayer_37 08-10-2004 03:56 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
same deer,no doubt. theres a dark spot above the base on the right side on both deer. i have mixed feelings on the deductions. part of me thinks that deer should be given every inch and not have any deducted, but then again, when measuring a typical, we're picking out the abnormalities. the abnormal racks are for the non typical books. I dont understand the reasoning on the Zaft buck though. Pope and Young ruled the one point non typical and its very clear that it is a non typ point, but Alberta lists it as the score before it was deducted down to the 170 ish score it was deducted too..

slayer

bob d 08-10-2004 06:24 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
that is a big no way

longrifle1000 08-10-2004 07:17 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
I only have one question. Why does the mounted buck have forked brow tines, and the other does not? Not an expert, just my $.02

skeeter 7MM 08-10-2004 07:20 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
GH settle down the pictures are not easily distinguished to be the same deer, I could easily see why some say are you sure it is the same deer b/c the 2 pic are in stark contrasts of each other. When I first saw this pic last fall it looked like it was enhanced based on the size of the rack vs the hunter....before you come further unglued that was my immediate impression . The deer looks emmense pictured in the field photo but in the shoulder mount not nearly as impressive and quite obvious deductions are visible not just a kicker/sticker here and there. Not to say it isn't a great deer but B&C is based on Typical and Non Typical growth, if that is not what a hunter likes other scoring systems like Jackie Bushwhack's are available to them.

Really moot it as all about the persons feeling who took the animal than a book or score. I am a trophy hunter but trophies do come in more than B&C net score.

Any 4x4 that nets 150 is a helluva an animal in my books..so the hunter should be proud regardless of what B&C may say.

waterfowl_hunter 08-10-2004 07:43 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
Looks sort of the same to me.

GroundHunter 08-10-2004 08:12 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 

ORIGINAL: bob d

that is a big no way
lol........jealous maybe??????

GroundHunter 08-10-2004 08:16 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
The point of the post was "not if the two pics match", but rather the B & S scorining system. This guy killed a dang good quality trophy deer, and probably feels less about it since the official scoring. B & C scores aired, and takes away for antler growth which is not perfect.

Think buckmaster.com.................a new breed of scoring. They count what should be counted, the growth.

bob d 08-10-2004 09:31 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
yea i am jealous groundhunter . i have not mastered the photo shop yet

GroundHunter 08-10-2004 09:46 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
arseholes everywhere.........and I guess you don't gamble? chicken sheat......

bob d 08-10-2004 10:03 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
guess you need hooked on phonics in addition to an eye checkup

skeeter 7MM 08-11-2004 12:25 AM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 

Think buckmaster.com
I hope your joking! The self proclaimed "Buckmaster" is just that a joke! Hey credit is given for every inch grown it's called gross and take a look at how many 4x4's actually make book net...very few. IMHO the fact his deer never made book does not makes it less of a trophy...who cares really! Like I said trophies come in different forms and are the eye of the beholder.

lhook7 08-11-2004 07:26 AM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
I can see why people are saying the two pictures are of different deer. WhenI first looked at them I thought the same thing. The angle the hunter is holding the deer's head and the position of his hands in the field picture hide the kickers and forked brow tines. If you look closely you can still see the stickers at the base of the antlers in both pictures.

As for B&C scoring system, it's their system, if you have a problem with it don't use it. To me it is like golf, I don't agree with all the rules and penalties, but I realize that every other golfer is judged by the same criteria. If I could disregard the rules I did not like I would be on the PGA tour, but, in actuality, I am not good enough to be on the PGA tour and that deer is not good enough to be in the book.

mammasboy 08-11-2004 10:06 PM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
That IS the same deer! Silly rabbit![:-]

Solax 08-12-2004 08:25 AM

RE: Remember the big Mississippi 8 point posted a while back?
 
Woah, woah, settle down guys. I didn't mean to cause a stink. I wasn't saying those AREN'T the same deer, I was just saying they look different. Like the brow tine thing.

As for the B&C score, they set up these rules years ago to measure all deer by a certain standard. It's worked so far, and if they change it they'd have to go back and change every deer they've ever scored. This guy didn't make the book, so what. I'd love to have that buck on my wall book or not.


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