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RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
I guess my definition of a "slob hunter" is different than yours. Anyone who falls into those catagories is indeed a slob hunter to me. By your definition there are more "slob hunters" than there are skilled hunters like those that have the passion as we here do. |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
The meaning of slob hunter to me would be any man or woman who would go beyond their limitations for a shot at an animal without any concious for the animals well being. I don't knock people who can kill game proficiently up to 500yds. Those people practice enough to do it all the time. And these people know under what circumstances to take these shots wind, angle, and weather. 700 to 1000 yds is really losing alot of bullet energy it has to be shot perfect. Theirs only a handful of those men in the whole world. Everyone else has just gotten lucky. A 1000yd shot hmmmmm lets see. A 270 with a fast 130gr bullet drops about 277 inches, thats roughly 23ft of hold over. Now tell me what hunter has those kind of optics on their rifle that can show a hold over of 23ft. Even a fast 300 win mag load is going to drop 21ft at 1000yds with about 500lbs of energy. Now were in the energy level of pistol shooting. And most of us that have ever hunted with a pistol know you have to put it where it belongs.
Yeah maybe not calling them slobs is more along the line of being polictically correct but I'd call them foolish for lack of knowledge and disreguard of animal life. I shot a whitetail at 535 yds once and I missed in my reasoning. I held for the lung shot and the bullet struck just infront of the shoulder and broke his neck. Even though the bullet hit just infront of the shoulder it was what I call a miss. I was lucky not to have wounded the animal. And I practice out to 575yds all year long. At that distance in most hunting circumstances its going to real tough to make a perfect shot. And for the average hunter they should stay under the 300yd mark. |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
Okay, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but am I to infer from this statement that you do not feel a person should train themselves the least little bit with the weapon they intent to hunt with. And stay within the boundaries of their particular skill level. Heck, just buy your first gun or bow and head straight to the woods. No need to see how well I can shoot it. I'll just let fly and see what happens. Whats that, a deer 500 yards away. Well I've never even practiced a shot farther than a 100 and have no idea how much my bullet drops at that range but ah hell lets let her rip cause wouldn't it be really cool if I hit him? But it's not related to the article in this post or the scenarios I provided you which would label someone a "slob hunter" by your definition. You said : No need to see how well I can shoot it. I'll just let fly and see what happens. My scenarios were the same! A hunter that has his/her weapon of choice sighted in perfectly at the range but falls apart when shooting at live game within their yardage limitations and misses (or worse) but continue shooting , by your definition are "slob hunters". Buck fever , adrenaline rush , whatever you wish to call it has dramatic effects on some people. Now do you see my point? Nowhere did I say that someone who steps in the woods without knowing their limitations and recklessly sprays bullets in hope of getting something is NOT a slob hunter! Maybe someone should start a thread on the definition of a "slob hunter". |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
Nowhere did I say that someone who steps in the woods without knowing their limitations and recklessly sprays bullets in hope of getting something is NOT a slob hunter! In that article they took 60 shots and had one kill.[:o] It said he strives for a first shot kill:eek::eek:....But it aint happening. They have spotters watch the bullet flight and watch where it hits the ground so the shooter can "adjust for the next spot" I see no indication in that article that any of these shooters "expect" the first shot to be a kill. They miss, then adjust, miss then adjust. They have just a good of a chance as hitting that deer in the rear hoof as they do the lungs.................AND THEY KNOW IT!!!!! These guys don't have a chance to boiler room a deer at 1000 yds on the first shot. The whole thing is just crazy to me..........Target shooting stuff that bleeds when hit[:'(] Sorry but IMO they are an absolute 100% disgrace and black eye to hunters like you and me and everyone else that gives a rats ass about the sport they love. And frankly I am very surprised you are defending them. |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
I see no indication in that article that any of these shooters "expect" the first shot to be a kill. They miss, then adjust, miss then adjust. They have just a good of a chance as hitting that deer in the rear hoof as they do the lungs.................AND THEY KNOW IT!!!!! |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
I see no indication in that article that any of these shooters "expect" the first shot to be a kill. They miss, then adjust, miss then adjust. They have just a good of a chance as hitting that deer in the rear hoof as they do the lungs.................AND THEY KNOW IT!!!!! Some long-range hunters make adjustments after the first shot. But John, who has killed about a dozen deer up to eight points, goes to great strides to make the first shot a killing one. While one hunter shoots, the others have their optics glued to the deer. One hunter stands directly behind the shooter because the trained eye can actually see the bullet flying through the air at 3,000 feet per second. That's because the bullet piercing the air gives off a bubbling effect. Even if the bullet isn't picked up in flight, the others see where the bullet hits the ground if it misses the mark. Often, a miss will not spook the deer, giving the hunters second, third and additional chances. "We shot 50 shots one day at a buck and as far as I know that sucker's still out there,'' John says. Also, long-rangers, because they can follow a deer from one end of the mountain to another, are less likely to lose a wounded deer. Of course, when long-rangers are successful, the drag out can consume the rest of the day. The hunter hoofs it ove to the far mountain where his colleagues direct him to the deer via two-way radios. It took McQueen 45 minutes just to reach his downed doe. "Anybody can walk out and shoot a deer,'' says McQueen, who for the last 15 years has gotten his with a bow and arrow, muzzleloader or pistol. Slob hunters? By my definition , NO WAY! Exactly!!! Well said!! |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
I'm still waiting for a reply to my last post which was both a counter to your twisting things around that I've said , and also a question asking if you see the point I'm trying to make about your definition of a slob hunter. As for a definition of a "Slob Hunter". Well slob is derived from the word sloven for which one text book definition is: \Slov"en\, n. [D. slaf careless, negligent. For me its someone that doesn't give a d@#*. Someone who is reckless, careless and negligent. What they don't dive a d@#$ about may vary. It could be safety related, ethics related or the fact that they can't hit a barn door at 50 yards yet do nothing to attempt to improve that situation. It could be people who often take shots at ranges that they have never practiced from. Or as described in that article it could just be people who take shots from ranges that are just too far period regardless of skill level. A man that continously shoots at a deer from a range that often takes him 20 or more shots to score a hit doesn't give a d@#* about the animals he is hunting. Doesn't care if wounds them and loses them; doesn't care if he blows a hole through and ruins both back hams; doesn't care if he condemns the animal to a slow horrible death from infection or even starvation depending on the nature of the injury. To me that labels him SLOB. Rack also made a great point about the kind of energy a bullet has left at such ranges. The less energy a bullet has the more crucial shot placement becomes. Yet at those extreme ranges precise shot placement is a virtual impossibility. CAN YOU NOT SEE THE PROBLEMATIC TRUTH OF THAT PARADOX? Another reckless aspect of what these guys are doing is the fact that at those ranges even with a spotter and some of the best optics on earth there is no way to always know you missed. A gut shot deer isn't going to cut a back flip especially when hit with a bullet that has nearly exhausted all its energy. Heck I've shot deer at 40 yards with a 30-06 that didn't act like they were hit at all. Only walking over to where they were standing and seeing the blood revealed the truth. Do these guys send a runner over to check after every deer they shoot at? I seriously doubt it. Bottem line, these guys aren't hunting they are playing a game. A game with live targets that bleed. |
RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
Yes I am calling any hunter that doesn't put in the time to be able to accurately shoot their weapon slob hunters and I make no apologies for saying it. Anyone who needs a spotter to watch and see where he misses so he can adjust his shot has no buisiness shooting at live animals period! You can defend them all you want but from the responces you can tell very few people agree with you.
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RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
I hear an envirowacko group is sueing to list and protect the "White Tailed Prairie Dog".
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RE: Talk about long-range shooting...read this
As for a definition of a "Slob Hunter". Well slob is derived from the word sloven for which one text book definition is: \Slov"en\, n. [D. slaf careless, negligent. For me its someone that doesn't give a d@#*. Someone who is reckless, careless and negligent. What they don't dive a d@#$ about may vary. It could be safety related, ethics related or the fact that they can't hit a barn door at 50 yards yet do nothing to attempt to improve that situation. It could be people who often take shots at ranges that they have never practiced from. Or as described in that article it could just be people who take shots from ranges that are just too far period regardless of skill level. A man that continously shoots at a deer from a range that often takes him 20 or more shots to score a hit doesn't give a d@#* about the animals he is hunting. Doesn't care if wounds them and loses them; doesn't care if he blows a hole through and ruins both back hams; doesn't care if he condemns the animal to a slow horrible death from infection or even starvation depending on the nature of the injury. To me that labels him SLOB. Whoever made the reference to the ballistics of these gentlemens weapons of choice better go back and read it again and then check some ballistic charts! Just got done shooting an awesome round of 3d! Life is great! Have a good one gentlemen. |
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