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mtair 01-27-2004 05:47 PM

hole in antlers
 
anybody have any idea what causes those holes you sometime see in deer horns , ive heard they are caused by injury to them during the velvet phase, ive also heard some kind of fly causes the hole . does anybody know?

shedhead 01-27-2004 05:58 PM

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You are correct when you say that a fly caused it. It is called a bot fly. I believe that the fly lays a egg on the antler when the antler is in velvet and when the worm is born it burrows into the blood rich antler and turns into a cocoon and then hatches into a moth. When the velvet is shed a hole is left in the antler.

James Vee 01-27-2004 06:04 PM

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you're right on shedhead

Smitty_nc1 01-27-2004 06:08 PM

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You are correct when you say that a fly caused it. It is called a bot fly. I believe that the fly lays a egg on the antler when the antler is in velvet and when the worm is born it burrows into the blood rich antler and turns into a cocoon and then hatches into a moth. When the velvet is shed a hole is left in the antler.
I just gotta call BS on this one. Who told you that line of crap? The common holes you see in some antlers are caused by injury to the horn while in velvet.

JimboHunter1 01-27-2004 06:36 PM

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In the January 2003 issue of "Deer and Deer Hunting", there's a picture of this, and it says, "Parasites thrive easily on easily accessible food. That's why it's not unusual for a buck's antlers to become the host of warbles (aka Bot Fly) that bore small holes into velvet antlers. These holes are even more evident after the velvet dries and the antler hardens."

Smitty, I think you're wrong.

Smitty_nc1 01-27-2004 06:41 PM

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Ok. I will give into to the parasite theory. But, You gotta admit that Some Holes are caused by injury. Not all are caused by parsites.

Outdoor 01-27-2004 07:00 PM

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I would say it rare that a hole is caused by injury. Most likely a deformity in the rack.

isatarak 01-27-2004 08:28 PM

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I saw a hole in a rack this year that you could stick your finger in but not all the way through. It was obvious in looking at it that it had been injured some way or other. It could be that an injury could leave a place for the flies to lay eggs and the maggots to get started. I've never heard of botflies around here, though.

shedhead 01-27-2004 08:36 PM

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Smitty,

You should read the bottom of your post, because you did learn something new today.:D

timbercruiser 01-27-2004 08:39 PM

RE: hole in antlers
 
Ticks can burow in during velvet causing the holes you see.

buckshot47 01-27-2004 08:39 PM

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He's right about the bot fly larvae it's the same one that causes wolves in squirrels and rabbits but I have seen some holes so big that they had to bee injuries

isatarak 01-27-2004 08:39 PM

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I did some searching and reading about botflies and deer and found that most botflies attack the nasal system or wounds in the flesh. I didn't find any thing suggesting that they attack antlers.

RTA47 01-28-2004 01:56 PM

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I don`t` know what makes those holes. I have killed two one ten and a nine and both have them holes in about the same place on the left main beam?

oliverwfe 01-28-2004 04:36 PM

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Here's a pick of a big hole in this years MD buck. I can put my pinky in the hole and it's angled along the beam and doesn't go straight in. Roughly 3/4" deep. They're not caused but injury as some have mentioned. Ticks, parasites and bot flies are the main cause of such things.


KoBear 01-28-2004 07:25 PM

RE: hole in antlers
 
yep, bot fly is the answer i have read in books and magazines. i am sure that injury can cause some too. EVERYBODY is CORRECT!!! YEA!!!!

Doemasters 01-29-2004 05:20 AM

RE: hole in antlers
 
bullets from cock-eyed hunters reading about Bot Fly Larvae is more likely

goosie 01-29-2004 03:51 PM

RE: hole in antlers
 
I shot a buck this year with the same type of whole. It looks very very similar to the one in the picture already posted. In both cases the whole is on the main beam on such an angle that it would appear as though something stuck in their while the antlers were something. THis is nothing more than speculation as I have never seen this before. But it is just interesting that both deer have a whole so similar.

deerhuntr107 01-29-2004 04:28 PM

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I opened this expecting something about the Hole In The Horn Buck.

joe_holick 01-29-2004 07:08 PM

RE: hole in antlers
 
Yep everybodys right here. Also some holes are caused by their genetics. I have a family of nice non-typicals on my property and they all have holes in about the same places.

skeeter 7MM 01-29-2004 10:30 PM

RE: hole in antlers
 
The main reason is insects, etc during the velvet stages. Although I have heard that genetics can play a part as well.

The arguement of an injury has been tossed around lots before as well. I believe injury usually results in malformation, which I guess can be a hole as well. However I have taken animals that had sustained injurys to body(like broken legs and it effects the growth of the opposite side rack...I have read and been told this is b/c more energy is being used by the animal to mend the injury than horn growth) Have seen some injuries that were to the actual antler in velvet stage, one was a cut(crease) in the G2 and G3, we came to the conclusion he must have got tangled up in a fence, bail twine...something to cause this deep crease. It also resulted in a difference between tine measurement than the opposite G2 & G3.

Here is a qyestion I have wondered what causes some deer to hang on to velvet and turn it into the leather it does??? I have witnessed a number deer that exhibit this abnormality. It certainly didn't hamper the growth as some of these deer were extremely well blessed with head gear. It is often on droptine clubs, but I have seen it on basic typicals too.

Anybody know the score on this unique happening???

Stump_MN_Hunter 01-30-2004 06:12 AM

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This is an interesting topic. My buck that I shot in Canada had holes in both sides of the main beams and one of the split G2's had a hole in the top of the point. I was wondering what it was from....

Tazman 01-30-2004 08:22 AM

RE: hole in antlers
 
Well I know on occasion a bigfoot will catch a buck in velvet and drill holes in thier antlers! Trophy will back me up on this one.:eek:

mtair 01-31-2004 03:02 PM

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taz just curious . what kind of drill does a big foot use , and what would be the purpose of the hole ? lol

dog1 01-31-2004 06:00 PM

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Jimbo hunter 1,

Well once again I've learned something new about whitetails. Been hunting them since 65 and didn't know what caused the holes, bug or injury. Never get to old to learn something new do we.

dog1

JimboHunter1 02-06-2004 08:45 PM

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Never get to old to learn something new do we.

Nope, we sure don't dog1. Sometimes I think that the more "new" information I learn, the more old information I forget about. Maybe some of the new information is just old information that leaked out of my head!?!
Oh well. It keeps it interesting!


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