Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
12-16-2003, 09:31 PM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
That is a bad photo but I've seen 5 or 6 real photos of this deer. It was al over the place a couple days after he shot it. It is a real legitimate monster!
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12-16-2003, 10:14 PM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
Good work James
WR, I know P&Y do not have a seperate cat. for Velvet but they do annotate it with an asterics and by doing so one could see where the mn velvet buck was in that area of interest. Personally I think it is pretty cool to have # 1 Velvet, that is indeed a rare thing and worth noting. By the way nowhere did anybody refer it was a world record the post simply said #1 velvet buck. Again you prove what a @#$ you are! I sure thank you for the info on what the books(B&C - P&Y) have for cats, rules, but too bad you ain't the only one in "THE KNOW".
WR, I know P&Y do not have a seperate cat. for Velvet but they do annotate it with an asterics and by doing so one could see where the mn velvet buck was in that area of interest. Personally I think it is pretty cool to have # 1 Velvet, that is indeed a rare thing and worth noting. By the way nowhere did anybody refer it was a world record the post simply said #1 velvet buck. Again you prove what a @#$ you are! I sure thank you for the info on what the books(B&C - P&Y) have for cats, rules, but too bad you ain't the only one in "THE KNOW".
12-17-2003, 04:47 AM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
Ok Folks let's try and put this another way so you people can see the reality of this. I'll give you an example of what's going on here. Johhny B just shot a really nice 6 pointer, I mean it's a beauty. Seriously. The G1's are at least 10" long and the G2's are even more impressive coming in at about 14 iches. The rack has great mass and with an inside spread of 23" and main beams of equally amazing proportions. What makes this rack even more impressive is the fact that Johhny B took this buck during the early archery season so the buck still has it's velvet on. We've done some prelimanary scoring and the buck easily makes P&Y. What's even more amazing is after doing our research we have discovered that this deer is a new WR 6 point in velvet.
Ok, are you starting to get the gist of this? Even if it is the largest 6 point in velvet ever taken (and the score would not even be considered official by P & Y with the velvet on it..that's why they have the asterisk beside them.) who cares? It would probably be ranked about 15,894 , if it made the book at all, and scaling the velvet off of it woulkd redce the score even further. . The same cam be said for that buck everyones saying "OOOOOO....a new world record deer in velvet, scoring in at 214". Do you see the problem here? The deer is a non-typical AND ONLY GROSS SCORES 214. Big deal. Oh and for the record folks, that's not a net score it's a gross score, without the 60 day drying period and with velvet on. At 214 this buck doesn't even rank in the top 1000 for non-typicals. Take that velvet off, and you're probably looking at a deer that may not even qualify for B&C after deductions are taken into account.
So call it whatever you want. Fact of the matter is it's not that impressive. Oh and one more little tidbit for you. This is old news. It happened way back in September and has subsequently been re-scored......194 as a non-typical. THIS IS THE NET SCORE. In other words the deer only makes the book by 4 inches. That's some record....NOT!!!!!! Later.
Ok, are you starting to get the gist of this? Even if it is the largest 6 point in velvet ever taken (and the score would not even be considered official by P & Y with the velvet on it..that's why they have the asterisk beside them.) who cares? It would probably be ranked about 15,894 , if it made the book at all, and scaling the velvet off of it woulkd redce the score even further. . The same cam be said for that buck everyones saying "OOOOOO....a new world record deer in velvet, scoring in at 214". Do you see the problem here? The deer is a non-typical AND ONLY GROSS SCORES 214. Big deal. Oh and for the record folks, that's not a net score it's a gross score, without the 60 day drying period and with velvet on. At 214 this buck doesn't even rank in the top 1000 for non-typicals. Take that velvet off, and you're probably looking at a deer that may not even qualify for B&C after deductions are taken into account.
So call it whatever you want. Fact of the matter is it's not that impressive. Oh and one more little tidbit for you. This is old news. It happened way back in September and has subsequently been re-scored......194 as a non-typical. THIS IS THE NET SCORE. In other words the deer only makes the book by 4 inches. That's some record....NOT!!!!!! Later.
12-17-2003, 07:11 AM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
buckeyebuckhuntr
next time i shoot a big buck i will call and see if you can come down and take some field pictures, of wait i got a bunch i just dont have them on a digital camera, but for you a will see what i can do and not stretch my arms and all the other stuff, oh when you ever kill a big deer which i have seen your pics. and wow am i empressed get a good arm stretch it might make those little deer you kill look better, oh one more thing F you
next time i shoot a big buck i will call and see if you can come down and take some field pictures, of wait i got a bunch i just dont have them on a digital camera, but for you a will see what i can do and not stretch my arms and all the other stuff, oh when you ever kill a big deer which i have seen your pics. and wow am i empressed get a good arm stretch it might make those little deer you kill look better, oh one more thing F you
12-17-2003, 09:01 AM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
WR for someone with your great knowledge I thought you'd know better than to make this statement:
Of course you know that B&C alltime awards min for NT is 195 not 190.(Book) But considering it was taken with a bow and if the recent ruling does not include retro than unfortunately it won't make either book. If it does go retro then it easily makes P&Y book with a NT min. of 155.
In any regard give credit where credit is do it is a trophy animal regardless of where it may fall in the book or not in the book. Book is great but I don't know to many trophy hunters that would pass up a 190 class deer with or without velvet!
Quote from White Raven's post: subsequently been re-scored......194 as a non-typical. THIS IS THE NET SCORE. In other words the deer only makes the book by 4 inches. That's some record....NOT!!!!!! Later.
In any regard give credit where credit is do it is a trophy animal regardless of where it may fall in the book or not in the book. Book is great but I don't know to many trophy hunters that would pass up a 190 class deer with or without velvet!
12-17-2003, 09:06 AM
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RE: Minnesota hits # 1 with velvet buck
skeeter i am with you you say you dont know many that would pass up a 190 with a bow i dont know ANY that would pass up a 190 with a bow or gun, Monster animal to have 190 inches of bone w/or w/out velvet
