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Lots of people in the south don' t have all of their teeth either. It doesn' t mean we should all copy them.
Neck shots do work,sometimes, but they are not the best way to KILL a deer or any other animal. I' ve seen too many deer with broken jaws or gaping holes in their throats due to the attempted neck shot to save a little meat. This is including one that I' m butchering tonight, thank god my buddy shot her when he saw her lower jaw hanging down by her knees.
Not many with two busted shoulders get away. You have better eating meat in the neck than in the shoulders anyway.

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I agree - I' ve had hearts completely blown out and they run 30 or more yards and sometimes the blood trail is surprisingly scant, sometimes huge enough that even a fat-assed republican could follow (after he calls his, boozed up, bible thumping buddies of course). :) (by the way, that' s just my way of saying: why don' t you keep politics out of topics that have nothing to do with politics?)-zeke

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I always will go for the double lung. A double lung insures the animal will not go any further than 50 to 100 yards. Both lungs collapse, the deer runs, passes out, then expires. I have never had any run more that 75 yards with a double lung. My brother took a shoulder shot once that caused us to track for over 2 hours. He hit it in front of the shoulder, missing most of the lung. If you put your pin/cross hairs just behind the shoulder blad, it is a done deal. I respect the animal too much to allow one to run off wonded.

I guess this would also depend on what you are shooting. With a pistol or bow, I always go for the double lung. With a rifle, I feel I have more room to play with.

As for head and neck shots. Too little a target. I always teach new hunters to go for the highest percent shot. Better to let an animal walk than to wound it. Head shots I refuse to take. I dont like the idea of blowing off the lower jaw of an animal, causing them to starve to death.

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so if you see a deer running around with its lower jaw busted you should assume it was a guy trying to neck shoot it, give me a break anyone who shoots a deer in the jaw just sucks or was probably shooting at a deer running, know your limits there are alot of deer running around with holes all in them from people seeing brown and pulling the trigger, but handles i am sure all of the people from where you are from have all there teeth you idiot dont stereo type the south

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I truly hope you mean this in Jest. Seeing brown and pulling a trigger? I must live in a little different place. I dont know of anyone who doent find the target, set the pin/sights, and then take the shot. I guess there are those out there who do as you mentioned. Personally I would like to see people like that have their guns taken.

As I set and type this, it reminds me of a new hunter who went out with a blazen attitude. He did as you mentioned Killing a ranchers cow. Needless to say, the guy who let the new hunter hunt with him lost his privilages to the land. The new hunter got to by the rancher a new cow.

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Same place i put an arrow. Low and directly behind the shoulder.

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TH, I simply stated if you want an animal to drop like now with a better % shot with a firearm the pins are better than a neck shot. I generally aim for the vitals(rib in and rib out) I have on occasion aimed for the pins or other shots for different reasons but always think secondary like if my bullet frags or malfunctions will I at least get lungs??? I always think lungs when I pull the trigger on a bow or firearm. Simply put it is a gaurantee you take out the lungs that deer is dead on its feet, will leave a nice swash on the ground to track and bleed out the animal somewhat to provide better eating(if you believe in this;)). Vitals are essential if I can' t take out the H/L region I simply don' t shoot, their are many ways to the bread basket besides ribs[8D]. This is why I said think like a bowhunter...VITALS:eek:

Also poor results with shoulder shots are often due to an improper bullet or sometimes caliber for the job. A 243 shot into a shoulder with a 100 gr NBT is going to yield nothing but bad results on a large whitetail buck, so pick your shot based on your poison and your ability(confidence)[:-]

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As a hunter who shoots bow and firearm I am 100% commited to a vital shot. Double lung!!! I' ve seen too many wounded deer in the woods not to shoot for vitals.

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I should go on to say, in spite of my above comment, I always try for the side-on heart/double lung shot - if my shot goes exactly where I want it, it' s a heart/double lung. If it' s a little off, it' s an easy double lung-er. The kill zone really is as large, or larger, than a 1 gallon milk jug, which I sometimes use for practice. I really feel I could do a neck shot with a decent position or rest, but I' ve always had such good luck with the chest, I do it automatically. If I was in terrain where the animal shouldn' t run at all, I' d do the shoulder shot or a *real* careful neck shot if I had a decent rest.

I still haven' t figured out why some fatally chest shot deer run and/or walk away to die within 30 seconds and some drop on the spot. My most recent experience, posted here, involved two deer from a group: heart/double lung/ total chest destruction of a small yearling and a front on, angling lung shot of a full grown doe. The little one ran about 30 yards, the big one dropped like it was a head shot. Go figger. -zeke

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TH, Sorry about picking on you fellers. I was just playing off of your statement about " lots of people in the south..." Mainly I was saying just because people do it, doesn' t make it right. Going off of the original post about a deer standing at 75 yards, no, you should not ever hit it in the jaw, but I have seen it happen, and holes shot in the throat with the deer breathing through that hole. It' s pretty sad and the deer can live for a long time that way, at least until they die of dehydration because they can' t drink.
We also both know that many people don' t practice shooting enough, or sling slugs out of a smoothbore shotgun, or shake uncontrollably at the sight of a deer. I will not advise anyone to take a neck shot at 75 yards, anymore than I would recommend having sex with your cousin is a good idea just because it happens in certain parts of the country. Oops.