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Florida Whitetail Experience
Hey y'all,
I'm in my early twenties and have no hunting experience whatsoever. I want to get started by hunting in Osceola because I live in Lake City and it's by far the closest WMA. I have already finished the Hunter Safety Course which was fun but didn't actually teach me as much about hunting itself as I thought it was. I have a FL hunters license and will get my WMA permit in a little bit. I recently bought a .308 rifle and am wanting to get some experience from those people who have hunted in Osceola or around that area. I just want to know what I should be looking for with regards to deer sign, what kind of habitat I should be looking for, what I should be looking for on Google Earth, etc. Also, I was wanting to know if it would be more effective for me to buy a cheap tree stand (it will have to be cheap because I'm a married college student with a child), walk around super slowly, or just buy a camp chair and try and hunt from the ground. Also, how necessary would buying snake boots be? Like I said, I would prefer experience from Osceola, but really any North Florida, or Florida swamp experience would be deeply appreciated!! Thank you guys in advance, Biggles101 |
find satellite photos get topo and boundary maps, and get the wild life area regulations,
and get a gps so you can locate those areas once your on the ground where things look a great deal different, if you get out the recent satellite photos your looking for areas that channel deer movement, between cover and feed. watch the wind, youll rarely see deer directly down wind, keep to the shadows as much as you can, wear good camo. I can assure you no one can tell you exactly where too find deer or hogs consistently on any given location, simply because the animals constantly change location due to changes in hunting pressure, food supply, cover, weather etc. yet you can markedly up your odds of success,by getting to know each area, and personally scouting out the constantly changing factors that influence the game. on the particular area you choose to hunt, nothing beats on site current observation, and documenting and mapping out the area. one of the biggest helps will be actually getting out and observing the area and learning specifics about both that area and the game, as a great deal changes, deer will love a secluded peninsula or any other area that has very limited human traffic as long as it has feed and cover, here in florida much of the hunting management areas consist of swamp, if you pull a topo map, many are endless small peninsulas extending into shallow drainage ponds, and islands in the swamp. deer are not phased with crossing chest deep water, or even swimming a canal to gain access to decent feed and cover Ive used a cannoe for decades to allow easy transport of equipment and downed game  almost daily, but there are semi dependable and if your observant patterns to the games movement. a good quality climbing tree stand, patience, a management area map and decent binoculars will allow you get a good perspective on what your potentially dealing with, a call to the local biologist and game department can be helpful. obviously if you can find an experienced mentor familiar with your selected area that could be a big advantage. but be aware that about 75% of the people that "hunt" are basically spending most of their time, wondering aimless and clueless, hoping to spot game and while they are occasionally going to shoot game, you can vastly increase your odds going at the process by doing detailed research and breaking down the process of locating the game logically. http://www.mytopo.com/products/publi...e.cfm?state=FL ideally youll want to locate a choke point concentrating deer movement like the narrow land area between two lakes, or the tip of a heavily wooded area adjacent too a second heavily wooded area with a small open meadow between the two.(natural game travel choke points) if you have access to a welder and chop saw you can build a damn nice climbing tree stand for under $60 similar too this          untill you know the area,increase your odds by finding areas deer constantly travel between cover and feed, be in a tree stand with a wide field of fire , up at least 15-25 feet up a tree so you command/control dozens of acres,travel with a scoped rifle, limit movement, ideally place the stand back a few yards from the edge of the timber (yeah I'm well aware you seldom have ideal choice locations for tree stand locations) if you plop down in a random area on the ground your chances of success diminish a great deal. your perspective changes giving you dozens of times more area you can see, from a tree stand 20 ft up. get the largest and strongest cooler you can afford, keep it in your car or truck and throw a bag or two of ice in it every morning to keep a couple plastic gallon milk jugs you freeze solid before each trip from melting , then place a few sodas or gator-aid bottles in it, if you get lucky and drop a deer you place the number of 2 gallon zip loc bags of meat in the cooler to prevent spoilage untill you can get home, and properly process and label the meat packages. coleman sells a usable fairly cheap,120 quart for $65, if you have the cash, pelican, grizzly and others sell premium coolers but they cost $260-$600 the cheap cooler will work on one or two day hunts if filled with frozen milk jugs http://www.outdoorsmantime.com/best-...SAAEgLt7_D_BwE the basics are simple you'll need to learn to be able too, consistently find game on a regular basis, and once found you need to be able to quickly place lethal shots precisely. knowledge of where and when the game travel and skill with your equipment helps immensely. being able to see down between the brush and optically cover a very large surface area (several acres)from an elevated tree stand helps in both cases |
Hey, thanks for all the info!
So say that I find a few good places on google earth or a topo map and I go out to look at them. What should I be looking for? What kind of food sources should I be keeping my eyes open for? I've heard that a deer trail is supposed to be about 4' tall and 1' wide, should I be looking for trails that resemble that? Should I be looking for rubs or scrapes or something? General gun season starts in November in Osceola, when should I start my scouting? I've heard some people say that you should start scouting as soon as the season ends which wouldn't be until January, and others say that you should start about a month before the season starts, which would mean I would be scouting right in the middle of archery season. Also, besides looking for strips of land between two bodies of water or an opening between two heavily forested areas, are there any other things I should be keeping my eye open for on Google Earth or the maps? Thanks Again! |
it helps a great deal to have a GPS for what should be very obvious reasons.
get and use a decent back-pack carry a note book and pen and camera, that stores digital pictures , carry extra batteries, carry water, Toilet paper a cell phone game does not report to a certain location at a set time, (no bus to catch too work, no restaurant seating hours. they move due to changes in hunting pressure, changes in food sources,major environmental changes,and mating season and weather. the more time you spend becoming familiar with the area youll hunt the better your grasp of the wildlife and how it spends its time and where it spends that time, game will detect you about 80% more often than you detect game, observe by finding a concealed area and sitting, it will take 30-45 minutes for the natural process to resume. learn the local food sources, be aware of changes, oaks don,t drop acorns all year. will be to your benefit, wear a watch take notes and what I do is divide the map of the area into roughly 1/8 mile grid squares, label them A-Z then you can make readable notes like "8 am, oct 12, zone G- kicked up 3 does, found several game trails converge south of oak stand 30 yards from north end of canal" or "11Am zone D,oct 28, found perfect tree for climbing stand for winds from north, over mixed myrtle and oak, lots of hog digging sign " "5pm zone C oct 26 large oak grove obviously torn up by hogs" organize notes by zone, and month on your home computer data base learn to be a damn good shot from field positions (shooting skeet also helps) you can aimlessly and randomly wonder around like most "hunters"and occasionally see game or you can up your odd markedly by understanding where when and why game move and where they are more likely to be. youll also up your odds by getting in before dawn and hunting till after dusk. http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...t-do-deer-eat/ http://www.wideopenspaces.com/whitet...ld-foods-pics/ http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw121 https://www.mossyoak.com/our-obsessi...ing-in-florida https://www.qdma.com/know-native-deer-foods/ go to the local fish & game office and grab all the local area brochures ,of areas your likely to hunt http://myfwc.com/hunting/wma-brochures/ once you find an area that appeals to you get a detailed topo map and sat photos talk to the biologist, if you do your home work, its not that hard. visit the local rifle ranges and larger mom & pop gun-shops you might find a knowledgeable & helpful mentor get up off the computer and grab a compass, and a map a back pack with water and a snack, your cell phone, etc. and actually walk through the area,take pictures and get familiar with the ares, in many cases your allowed to as long as you follow a few simple rules after a few dozen trips youll get a clearer mental picture of the area after several seasons youll know pretty much where to set up a stand to have an excellent chance of success, as youll have a good grasp on how and when game moves, if theres been a grass fire or the game department used a dozer to cut a new dirt road through the area, or the adjacent farm burned sugar cane or it rained enough that your walking through knee deep water most of the time , it will effect the game travel patterns. the basics are simple you'll need to learn to be able too, consistently find game on a regular basis, and once found you need to be able to quickly place lethal shots precisely. knowledge of where and when the game travel and skill with your equipment helps immensely. being able to see down between the brush and optically cover a very large surface area (several acres)from an elevated tree stand helps in both cases tips be paitient, get a good stand location, relax be observant, have a quality set of 8x or 10x compact binoculars never leave your stand over time someone will steal it never piss near your stand the higher the tree stand , generally the more area you can observe wear a safety tree stand fall harness, let the wife know the grid (s) on the map your likely to hunt charge your cell phone, ideally have a spare battery or battery charger put a sling on your rifle use a cartridge holder butt sleeve  ideally youll want a pack large enough to carry most of the boned out meat from a deer. heres a quick memory jog list, for hunt day pack (remember you might be forced to stay out over night, & weather is unpredictable) skinning knife kukri compact blade sharpener compass area topo maps large canteen licences cell phone several lighters granola bars rain poncho 2 gallon zip lock bags small block & tackle hoist & rope (50 ft parachute cord) spare ammo toilet paper mosquito repellent alcohol hand wipes heavy hoodie jacket |
Hey man, thanks for the great info.
The articles were really good, I had already read a couple of them, but the refresher definitely didn't hurt. Also the pack list was very useful. Any particular reason why you would want a sling or stock sleeve for your ammo? Thanks! |
you,ll want to have your hands free to carry the stand, and do other things at times,
and you may not want to place the rifle on wet ground,or lean it on a tree where it might fall, hence the sling and ammo sleeve help. proper practiced use of ,a sling helps rifle accuracy, a great deal on off hand, or sitting shots, and you want ammo where its always accessible and your very unlikely to leave it home, by mistake, or be forced too rummage through pockets or the pack to find it quickly. its being careful , thinking about what might go wrong,and not making little mistakes that helps prevent larger issues btw if you take a shot and the deer runs as if its not hit, be aware that even a mortally wounded deer can at times run 40-80 yards before dropping , never assume you missed! deer are not difficult to kill if the shots well placed but that does not mean they all drop on bullet impact., your 308 win loaded with soft point 150-165 grain bullets will do a very good job provided you place shots well. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...-swivels-nylon http://marylandbucks.com/where-to-ai...hitetail-deer/ http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=308%20Winchester&Weight=All&ty pe=Rifle&Source= https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/r...65-sptz-bullet varget and WW748 powders, the speer 165 grain bullet and a 215 fed primer work well. https://tpwd.texas.gov/education/hun...ifle-positions The “Hasty Sling”  One way to steady shots when you don’t have rest is by using your rifle sling to create tension between your arm and the rifle. This technique is called the “Hasty Sling” and can be employed in each of the four shooting positions. As with the shooting positions, practice the Hasty Sling so you are confident using this technique.  If you are right handed, hold the rifle out with your right hand and let the sling hang down.  Place your left arm through the opening, above the sling and below the rifle.  Next, raise the left arm up and behind the sling.  Then slip your hand back over the sling and grasp the forestock of the rifle.  Shoulder the rifle as you normally would.  If the sling is at the correct length, the resulting tension created when you shoulder the rifle will steady your hold.  With the rifle held to the shoulder, the rear portion of the sling will cross your chest.  The sling will wrap around the outside of your left arm, near the elbow, pass over the crook of your arm and inside your forearm. The forward end of the sling will be on the back side of your left hand. Your position should not be cramped or cause you to adjust. It should be comfortable and snug. If it is not, you will need to adjust the length of your sling. |
Awesome, thanks a lot!
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Like with most things in life the more effort you put into honing increased skill, and increasing knowledge the better your results,tend too be,
experience counts. statistically about 25% of the hunters are consistently successful, they tend to be a bit more serious about learning the skills required than the 75% who rather aimlessly wonder and occasionally run into a deer. it will take some effort on your part, but if your willing to do the research, and spend dawn till dusk in the field, on several weekends, in most areas, honing your skills even a first year hunter, will have little trouble killing a couple deer with a 308 win in florida, that is certainly something you can accomplish. btw it helps to concentrate your initial searches for game and game trails in the "EDGES" places where theres an obvious change in the terrain, like stream banks, places where grass meadows meet myrtle, oak or cypress groves, deer don,t want too need too push thick palmetto brush, or saw grass or walk chest deep in water any more than you do, but will do so to get away from hunting pressure in a heart beat. ,look for semi-open areas that provide cover and feed,look for areas that don,t have easy road access. if you have to cross a stream or drainage ditch, or walk 1/2 mile to get access, to get there its a good bet many hunters will not hunt the area. or where open grass fields butt up to palmetto scrub. a great deal of Florida wild life management area terrain is subjected too, occasional and irregular cycles of drought and flooding and occasional wild fires. if your serious about being far more successful than average take the time and effort, to call and talk to the local fla fish & wildlife biologist and game wardens, be polite have a list of reasonable and specific questions AFTER YOU CAREFULLY READ THE ARE REGS, GET THE AREA BROCHURES, AND BUY A TOPO MAP like what are the deer populations in area (XYZ) what are the deer primarily feeding on in area (xyz) when is the rut, in XYZ http://myfwc.com/viewing/recreation/celebrate75/ http://myfwc.com/hunting/by-species/deer/ http://myfwc.com/hunting/by-species/deer/dmu/ http://myfwc.com/hunting/by-species/deer/get-started/ http://myfwc.com/hunting/harvest-reports/region/ http://www.mytopo.com/products/publi...e.cfm?state=FL [it will take some effort on your part, but if your willing to do the research, and spend dawn till dusk in the field, on several weekends, in most areas, honing your skills even a first year hunter, can vastly up his odds of success., given a couple years experience, you can pick off deer regularly and hogs are a no -brainer. [url=http://www.mytopo.com/products/public-land-state.cfm?state=FL]      |
I can,t be the only one on this web site to spend 40 -50 years hunting in Florida,
wheres the other knowledgeable old experienced geezers , who are willing to, help the younger generation out, by adding too hunting tips? http://www.mytopo.com/products/publi...e.cfm?state=FL https://www.fieldandstream.com/answe...eer-in-florida http://www.floridasportsman.com/2018/04/12/five-essential-florida-hunting-firearms/ for the last 7-8 years Ive been mostly using a 44 mag loaded with a lee 310 grain hard cast gas check bullet over 20 grains of H110 powder a shoulder holster makes it easy to walk in with other gear, and with practice shots from a tree stand with a revolver,sitting resting your arms on your knees, at typical 40-60 yards are not very difficult  https://www.midwayusa.com/product/5...cf-430-diameter-310-grain-flat-nose-gas-check http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=44%20Magnum&Weight=310&type=Ha ndgun&Order=Powder&Source= MOLD DC C 430-310-RF  the 44 mag silhouette with adjustable front site and 10 5/8" barrel how far away do you think youll see a hog thats at most 28"-32" at the shoulder   https://survivallife.com/florida-hun...s-regulations/ btw my BLR in 358 win is very well represented  as is my 257 roberts ruger  my 44"barrel hawken style 58 caliber rifle with a round patch ball and 100 grains of 1f powder devastates deer  your rifle of choice is far less critical to success than your skill using it, damn near any centerfire rifle you can accurately use will work, most of my friend,s use marlin 44 mag, 45lc, or 30/30 or 45/70 lever actions, and your ability to locate game, consistently,not the rifle caliber is the critical factor/skill. and shots tend to be under 100 yards in most areas some guys prefer bolt actions,some guys like semi autos, thats fine you'll rarely need a fast second shot or longer range power, from what I've seen. |
hco, you covered things to a T for the area!
climbing stand can be chained to a tree for a greater sense of security if you find the PERFECT spot. My 172 came from such a tree, as did many others (I think it is 7 now...) 35ft up, views as far as 300 yards, maybe 400 in certain directions. everything I saw posted was good info. REM7600 |
Hello!
I am also in my twenties (27 in August), married, and with a Baby! I have been deer hunting since I was 10 years old. Started out hunting in Alabama with dogs (killed my first deer with a single shot .410 at 11 years old!) then moved on to Georgia after I met my now husband! Now I will also add on South FL (I live in Miami so it's a lot closer!!). I will tell you this. I have NEVER come across another person who is willing to give you the amount of information that was mentioned above! Many FL hunters are douche bags and everything is a damn competition for them. I have read each word that was said and it is described perfectly! Deer hunting in FL will be a first for me this year but I have hunted hogs many times and let me tell you.. It's not easy! Especially in the swamp! Outfitters are pretty much a guaranteed harvest which I personally do not consider hunting. What the other user mentioned is basically FL Hunting 101 at it's best from an actual hunter. Some things I would like to add to your backpack list (up to you of course) is take 2-3 MRE's and definitely a Solar Charger for your phone/gps with an extra cable just in case!! You'd be surprised how much you may need it depending on your situation. Weather here as you know is crazy so anything can happen! I like to take paracord as well. Although where I hunt I know my way around, you never know if you need to stay overnight in the middle of the woods or if you get lost tracking a deer/hog. Trail markers are a must for tracking at night! They are a life saver! I buy the ones you can clip to a branch. On the way back I just un-clip it and put it in my pocket until I reach camp and organize my bag again. I also take 2 flashlights and keep one head light on for use on the stand and extra batteries. I too also take a handgun. Unfortunately all I have is a S&W M&P Shield 9mm.. I just take extra mags and ammo. It's better than nothing. Hunting in FL is a real challenge. If you can hunt in FL, you can hunt anywhere! Pack your backpack for survival is what I do. Like I said, you never know! I have an archery permit for Dinner Island this year and I am stoked!! If you have any questions about my things or how it looks where I hunt, Check out my youtube channel. I have 1 or 2 videos to give you a general idea. Search SouthernHuntress829 and i'm there! Good luck to you and be safe out there! Hunting is a great way to bring REAL organic food to the table for your family! Have fun! ** Forgot to add on!** When it comes to hunting on the ground or on a stand, a climber is the way to go!! You can always change position if the sun is hitting directly or if you need to move to another spot and you can hunt higher! ALWAYS wear a harness and tie with a rope the foot platform to the chair platform in case if it slips off the tree you're not stuck up there. Give it a 2-3ft gap. I have a Summit SD Viper Crush Edition climber. It's like $250 but so comfortable and worth the money! Spend more now to spend less later! |
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I got a set of Third Hand Treestand Stabilizer straps for my Viper SD... they are amazing. Your stand does not move once you climb and sit.
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I have to agree with krizia829. This topic is a wealth of useful info for people hunting in Florida, hunting from a treestand, whitetail hunting and shooting a rifle from the standing position with a sling for support, etc. Too many good things to list and it also comes with pics, maps, charts and graphs. I have pinned this to the top so newer members can find it more easily and benefit from its' wealth of knowledge. Good Hunting!
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Dayyyummmmm!!! This stuff is pure gold for just about any level hunter. I've never hunter Florida but now have a pretty good idea on the terrain and challenges.
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I feel like I could move to Fl and be a pro hunter after reading all that!
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hardcastonly do you know anything about hunting Maryland lol
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no I have yet too hunt the area around MARYLAND,
but I have hunted northern California in the warner wilderness, WYOMING in several areas idaho once all over mid Colorado and the white river areas , meeker,eagle,gypsum,rifle, gunnison , and near woodland park, aspen etc. dozens of years some areas in northern MAINE up near paterson and in florida several dozen, management areas ocala, corbett,browns farm, bear island..... (too many to remember them all) keep in mind the basics remain constant, get the proper licences, you first need too research the area regulations, try to talk to game wardens and biologists several times prior to the season,areal photos help if current. youll need to know what your hunting, and any limitations, like shotguns only or 500 sq inches of orange in a vest and hat. or limits on tree stands or vehicles camping or road access. re-read the whole thread several times,you increase the odds by being alert and noting details get a topo map, of the area, youll need to stay safe, warm, dry , you need decent boots and a day pack. if available get a map marked with local property boundary lines call the local fish and game office get current info, if you can find a local mentor so much better. use your brain,look over the terrain and be aware that most deer will try to avoid roads and camp sites. you need to know what the local game eats where it tends to bed, and be able to recognize potential feed like white oak, wondering aimlessly hoping to see deer is a waste of effort in most cases , work smart not hard, if water is scarce, water holes are a used asset. if theres a big camp site try to use the flood of foot traffic at dawn, to your advantage, look for natural funnels like fenced highways or cliff faces that tend to force game traveling through an area too bunch up look for escape routes. realize most hunters are adverse to putting in the effort to cross streams or climb steep embankments some of the best areas may require wading a small stream or climbing a steep grade to gain access. if you get a shot never assume you missed, even well hit deer can rush off as if totally untouched only to fall 50 yards into the tree line. be aware of whats beyond the target, you don,t want a bullet to carry into property and cause damage. get a decent cooler and bags of ice, youll need cold water or soda and if you score youll need to cool the venison. a quality tree stand can be huge asset as can quality binoculars If you intend to hunt the area regularly start a log book a and buy and use an accurate GPS. log terrain, take pictures ,note game, vegetation, and time of day and date seen info divide and label the area in your log, into 1/8 mile squares for reference heres a quick memory jog list, for MY hunting day pack (you may not need everything but it may jog your memories or cause you too think.) (remember you might be forced to stay out over night, & weather is unpredictable) skinning knife kukri compact blade sharpener compass area topo maps canteen licences cell phone (car charger and/or back-up batteries) several lighters several mil surplus trioxane heat tabs granola bars rain poncho 2 gallon zip lock bags small block & tackle hoist & rope(50 ft parachute cord) spare ammo heavy hoodie jacket large plastic tarp aspirin other meds lip chapstick water purification tablets, or filter/pump down vest gps pack of wetnaps toilet paper emergency food on your belt large knife or light tomahawk, or kukuri the cold steel (TRAIL MASTER, or ( KUKRI) are good choices canteen anything that could get screwed up if you fall in a creek like medicine, licences, cell phones etc. gets double zip loc bagged |
Thank you so much..
This info is really helpful.. I like this.. |
I'm glad we can help out the newer hunters
learn to think and hunt SMART, wondering around aimlessly, is all too commonly referred to and the expected definition of ... HUNTING But thats all too often a waste of your time ,having the experience and skill, to map out any area, to logically search out what your dealing with and take a few notes,locate the areas the game uses, the food sources and best cover, game trails, the access roads or canals you can use with a canoe ,increases your odds considerably. having a topo map, and aerial photos of your hunt area, and use of a tree stand can make a huge difference in how often you score. many guys get all mentally wrapped up in accumulating equipment , look over the areas hunting regulations for sure! but its the skill, AND PERSISTENCE of the hunter in most cases not the type of weapon he has decided to select, that maters as long as your reasonably proficient with it. sure its nice to have choices, but Ive been in damn few areas where a 44 mag carbine or a decent 12 ga with slugs in skilled hands could not, result in a skilled hunter filling a freezer, but a dozen other choices like a 257 roberts or a 270 win , or a 358 win,would all work, get out before dawn, and hunt until dark, use the climbing tree stand that you like best if you can, if its an option, in the area you hunt. be patient and observant, watch the wind,don,t get discouraged youll spend several days in most areas not seeing deer or hogs before you get a good grasp on the area. sitting in your truck on an access road , bitching about the lack of game your seeing...is generally a waste of time I have run into dozens of guys that arrive at 8am-9am, wonder out maybe 1/4 mile from where they park the car or truck, and by 5-6 pm they are sitting back in camp drinking beer and cooking burgers next to their truck, and if you ask them, there were only a few does seen, so the areas completely shot out! yeah hunting's not easy, but if you don,t take it seriously (learning the area, and developing your skills and knowledge,) and rarely put in much effort... its even less productive, or you can be "ONE OF THE LUCKY GUYS THAT FREQUENTLY fills his tags"....... of course its all LUCK, .. "to the guys that spend most of the time hunting" sitting in camp on a large cooler?? |
lots of guys don,t take full advantage of modern technology
example one guy stated he hunts near "jollytown PA." he gave me no address or lat/longitude grid I can,t find aerial photos or topo maps without an address or latitude/longitude grid numbers IF I had the details theres a great deal of info available, I never heard of JOLLYTOWN PA, but two minutes looking.... https://huntwise.com/?gclid=EAIaIQob...SAAEgIMZvD_BwE https://www.latlong.net/place/pennsy...-usa-3230.html https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7284...1!1e3?hl=en-US  |
I bow hunt and use a Summit this is 4th or 5th yr with Summit Treestands 180 MAX SD. Very comfortable, quiet and well made. Rubber on cables is mostly rubbed off at the lugs, doesn't affect safety just not as quiet. Will probably replace or get the heat shrink covers after this season. Recently noticed seat material has torn in a couple places where the webbing attaches. Previously had another Summit which was stolen by a trespasser and before that an Ammacker which was much heavier and less easy to use.
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