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ktughill 11-18-2016 04:41 PM

Deer Shot no blood trail
 
I have been shooting deer for some time now. My question is tonight I took a nice buck at short distance broadside right before dusk. I believe that it was a lethal shot. We did not find any blood trail. My husband thinks I missed because we could not find any blood after dark with our flashlights. However the deer seem to slump and appeared it want to drop, then stood almost upright and started to slump and went into the woods and heard a some crashing around. We are going out in the morning again to continue hunt since it was too dark to really search. We did not find any hair at the site of the shot either. I shot a big buck a few years ago with "no" blood trail at all and found the deer not to far in the woods. It turned out this shot was a liver shot. What are your thoughts of no blood or hair and missed shot vs lethal shot. I am pretty sure it was lethal.... this was nice buck!

kidoggy 11-18-2016 04:50 PM

sounds to me like you shoren heck hit him.I would sure as heck be back at daylight and spend the day searching. try and track him if you can. if not I would do a search grid starting where you heard the crashing and work out from there ,take your time ,glass and look for sign.

you owe it to your prey to make every effort to recover.

ktughill 11-18-2016 04:54 PM

Is is normal not to initially see blood? I never saw any blood with my last big buck. I am thinking maybe a lung shot????

super_hunt54 11-18-2016 05:08 PM

It's extremely rare for no blood with a lung shot if you got a pass through. Was this with archery or some form of firearm? With most other shots, it is actually kind of common not to IMMEDIATELY pick up blood sign. If it was a heart shot, then the chest cavity has to fill to the entry/exit hole/holes before it leaks out. With lung or arterial then you will get pretty much immediate sign. Follow what kidoggy stated. Go back to the spot you SHOT from, pick out where you think you hit the deer, go up to that spot and pattern out in a circle from there. You might have misjudged the location of the deer at impact. If the deer "spun" out of there, there will be heavy impressions left by it's hooves. Those will give you the initial direction to start your search. If you hit it hard, and from the way you are saying the deer reacted I am guessing you did BUT it may be gut hit, then you should pick up some sign. IF it is gut hit, entry,exit wounds tend to get sealed up so you will be relegated to hoof trailing. IF gut hit, 99% of the time, the animal will head to the nearest water source. Good luck.

ktughill 11-18-2016 05:35 PM

Yes it was with my 243 rifle shot. I was aiming for lung shot however with all the adrenaline going, at dusk and with the buck in motion it is very possible that I missed the lungs. I sure hope it was not a gut shot. I helped a friend gut a deer out that was a gut shot and that was not easy on the stomach! Possibility of liver shot?

MudderChuck 11-18-2016 07:33 PM

That is why it is always nice to know someone with a good dog. My last blood tracker could follow a pin prick drop every 20 feet, at almost a dead run if you'd let him. Most dogs with any sort of hunting drive go kind of nuts with Deer blood.

Maybe it was asked, but what weight and bullet type were you using?

I've had Core Loc make a hole in and a hole out and never seemed to expand any. Left very little blood.

The trend recently seems to be light fast bullets, I never have figured out the reasoning besides a flat trajectory. A flat trajectory doesn't really count for much under two yards with many calibers.

I've shot many Hogs that stopped bleeding fast, Finding them in a ripe Wheat field can be a chore. I started using Silver Tips, tears up some meat but IMO almost guaranteed to bleed.

It has been mentioned in other threads, when a Deer bolts after being shot, it is often better to wait awhile before charging out to find your Deer. They will often lay down within fifty yards to die or at least go no farther than the next cover. If they are wounded and hear you coming they will take off again.

Ridge Runner 11-18-2016 09:53 PM

go to the last spot you saw the deer, walk in the same direction he was going, casting back and forth looking for blood, if it was a lung shot you will find him
RR

FlaBoy18 11-18-2016 09:58 PM

You could of also possibly hit that buck high and that could be why u aint got much blood. Above the lungs but below the spine is a void area of just meat. But ive shot deer with a 30.06 and had weak trails at first so maybe that cud be the case with ur buck! Use a roll of TP to trail him. Whenever u find a speck of blood or his runnin track drop a small piece of TP on the ground. This helps in tracking and lets u know the clear direction of his travel. If he is hit hard he will typically run in a straight line. Good luck!

alleyyooper 11-19-2016 12:52 AM

A Colman gas lantern is the best thing I have ever used to find blood after dark. Blood just jumps out to be seen. My neck of the world if you left a dead deer out all night isn't much you can use when found the next day coyotes have a picnic all night long.


:D Al

blessed n born to hunt 11-19-2016 04:10 AM

I'm sure the way he acted you took him and should have been able to find him after you waited for him to expire , I've got a good dog and will help in the future I've also read on this site organizations that help you with dogs , hope the coyotes didn't get him , God bless n good luck , I'm sure you've g ound him by now - post us pics when your able

flags 11-19-2016 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by FlaBoy18 (Post 4281922)
You could of also possibly hit that buck high and that could be why u aint got much blood. Above the lungs but below the spine is a void area of just meat.

I'm along this line of thinking myself. You might have hit him just above the lungs and below the spine which isn't a fatal hit. I did the same thing on a pronghorn doe in WY once with a 7 mag. She was with a herd and the whole herd took off at the shot. Never found any blood but I found her later in the day (saw blood on her side in a spotting scope) and she was with the same herd. Stalked in and put her down with a neck shot. First round had gone clear through but hit nothing vital.

Sometimes crazy things happen.

FlaBoy18 11-19-2016 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by flags (Post 4281942)
I'm along this line of thinking myself. You might have hit him just above the lungs and below the spine which isn't a fatal hit. I did the same thing on a pronghorn doe in WY once with a 7 mag. She was with a herd and the whole herd took off at the shot. Never found any blood but I found her later in the day (saw blood on her side in a spotting scope) and she was with the same herd. Stalked in and put her down with a neck shot. First round had gone clear through but hit nothing vital.

Sometimes crazy things happen.

Ive done the same thing several times with deer. Few with a bow. Few weeks later u get game campix of the same deer. Just fine

ktughill 11-19-2016 02:37 PM

Just want to update all of you fellow hunters. I did find my buck this morning. We never did find a blood trail which I think due to the fact that it was a heart shot. Actually he did not go far as I suspected. The problem is that we were walking into the woods thinking that is the direction he went however the deer ran a very short distance and died along the high weeds along the trail. It was very nice 6 point. Thanks for all of your advise!

Champlain Islander 11-19-2016 02:40 PM

Glad you found it. Congrats on a nice buck.

FlaBoy18 11-19-2016 02:47 PM

Congrats glad you recovered your buck!

kidoggy 11-19-2016 04:19 PM

right on! congrats.

BRUSE 11-19-2016 04:34 PM

I would keep looking in the am. My buddy shot one last year with a 30/30 the exit hole was plugged with an organ. The deer went about 350 yards before we heard him walking on some rocks in a bottom . It took us a while to find him. Good luck on your search

super_hunt54 11-19-2016 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by ktughill (Post 4281990)
Just want to update all of you fellow hunters. I did find my buck this morning. We never did find a blood trail which I think due to the fact that it was a heart shot. Actually he did not go far as I suspected. The problem is that we were walking into the woods thinking that is the direction he went however the deer ran a very short distance and died along the high weeds along the trail. It was very nice 6 point. Thanks for all of your advise!

Good to hear. Kinna figured you may have gotten the escape direction goofy. Under those conditions it's easy to misconstrue which direction they take off sometimes. It's why I suggested you re-spot the shot location and check for the hoof trail. Glad you found him.

springer94 12-01-2016 04:16 PM

I'm going through the same thing.Broadside shot 25yds Muzzleloader.At the shot the deer ran head down and tail down.Got to the spot where he was standing and I could smell the odor of a hit deer.No blood ,no hair and I am in a foot of fresh snow.Tracked him for about a hundred yards where he never stopped running about 12 feet between tracks.It was late so I let him go to lie down.We got another 8 inches of snow last night making it really hard to follow his track beyond where I left him yesterday.I know I hit that deer.Trouble his he had a doe with him so now I have a possible two tracks which are no more than dimples in the snow at this point.Input please...Thanks,Ron

flyinlowe 12-02-2016 04:48 AM

Springer, what kind of bullet are you using in your muzzle loader. When I first started hunting with a ML I was using hornady XTP bullets. I was killing deer with them but noticed often times little or no blood trails. I started asking on here and other sites and many people had the same issue. I was told the bullet was basically a hand gun bullet sometimes would not preform well at the speeds my ML was shooting them. I shot a doe once with fresh snow on the ground and not a hint of blood for the first 50 yards or so. Had there been no snow to track I would not have been able to find her. I switched to Barnes for my ML after reading reviews on the XTP.

BrushyPines 12-02-2016 07:25 AM

Congrats on the recover! I had a similar experience last year with a doe. I shot her and she bolted with her tail tucked, I knew I hit her. I waited for an hour to give her time to die. Walked to where I had shot her and found no blood anywhere. I tracked a 50 yard radius of where I shot her and eventually found her 15 yards from where she was. I found no blood until I walked up on her. The bullet entered through the lungs and somehow ricocheted to the guts and the bullet was lodged in between her left hindquarter & the hide. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.

Oldtimr 12-02-2016 12:09 PM

Glad you found your deer. It just goes to show, do not give up, especially of the deer shows signs of being hit.

Topgun 3006 12-02-2016 01:23 PM

Any time you shoot at an animal it's your responsibility to give a 150% at recovering that animal unless the initial look-see finds that it was definitely not hit (bullet is in a tree ahead of where the game was, etc.). Many times a deer or bigger game does not appear to have been hit, leaves no blood trail from where they were standing, and yet are dead on their feet and don't make it 100 yards from where they were hit. Good going and good example of not giving up without giving it that extra effort, as we owe it to the animals we hunt!

gjersy 12-02-2016 04:45 PM

Thats a sad story, i never lost a deer! ktugghill glad u got it!

Valentine 12-05-2016 05:10 AM

Never worried about a blood trail
 
Always found a rifle shot buck or deer laying where I shot it.

After shooting deer with a bow, the first time. Figured it went some 50 yards in the thick brush. Took a compass out and took the final reading of the fleeing deer. On the first move took a exact reading. Found the deer twenty five yards later. Why do deer have to go far.

Never worried about a blood trail. Accurately shot deer don't run far. My deer hunting always started at a rifle range or bow range.

WV Hunter 12-05-2016 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Valentine (Post 4284077)
Accurately shot deer don't run far.

I would say accurately shot deer almost always die. How far they run, well that is another story. I shot a nice 8pt the week before last that was shot right through both lungs and still ran darn near 150yds, after plowing leaves for 10yards at the shot. I was actually surprised how far he made it. Blood trail was heavy the whole way.

Game animals are tough, I never underestimate them.

super_hunt54 12-05-2016 05:27 PM

I've blown their hearts completely out of the chest and seen them run 100+ yards. Then again seen them drop right where they stood from an identical shot with the same rifle,distance,bullet, and angle. Poked 3 bladed and 4 bladed broadheads through both lungs and the top of the heart and had them run 80-100 yards then again same shot I can watch them drop 10 yards from where they were hit. The absolute ONLY way to drop a whitetail in it's tracks FOR SURE is spinal interruption or brain shot, period. Any other shot is a coin toss. May get hydrostatic shock to the nervous system,,,may not..

C. Davis 12-06-2016 12:35 AM

I've had a few deer go lights out almost before they hit the ground. I don't count the couple of spine shots. I hate those because they require a finishing off. I like them to be done when I get to them. Those experiences are enough to make me concentrate on making a good shot.
When I shoot a deer, I just expect them to make the 25-50 yard death run. It has been further than that, but a good hit deer doesn't usually go past 50-60 yards. I give them about 45 minutes and I trail to a dead deer. That is the way I like it.


I've learned that a deer jumping in the air doing a mule kick means a shot through the ribs right behind the shoulders.

It's easy to tell if you took out one or both of the shoulders.

A deer that kind of hunches, or doesn't act like you would expect would probably mean a miss, or a shot south of the diaphragm. I would give that deer at least an hour before I started trailing. If it is early in the day, it wouldn't hurt to give even more time, especially if you don't find much blood at the point where you hit him.


Two years ago I hit a big doe right through the ribs with my 50 cal muzzloader. I found good blood right where I hit her and trailed what seemed farther than normal. I left orange marking tape as I found blood. I must have gone about 150 yards when I found the deer and I did not know where I was in the woods. I knew I had a decent drag on my hands and I pulled out my phone to see where I was on the property with my GPS. I was shocked to see that I was about 15 steps away from the trail I walk to my stand on. I stepped out on the trail, and the 4 wheeler was 20 yards away. I gave the doe a big "thank you!" I was concentrating so hard looking for the blood I didn't know where I was in the woods.

C. Davis

IndianaBigBucks 12-06-2016 02:43 PM

Sorta the same thing that happened to me. 25 yard shot, broadside. After the shot he had his tail tucked and ran off. Seemed like he was hit to me, but no hair or blood. Looked for a couple days with no sign or anything. My heart sunk cause I felt like I missed but in the back of my mind I think I drilled him.

Brian Berg 12-07-2016 03:48 AM

I shot a doe this year at 10 yards with my 270 and it left no blood or hair whatsoever. I had to track her steps best I could. I did see where she headed so I had an idea. At about 40 yards I started seeing blood and she only made it 10 yards further. Because the high velocity, the bullet pencil-holed in and hit a rib, deflected a bit, and busted a rib on the other side, and broke her offside shoulder. Because I hit her high, the chest cavity had to fill with blood before any dripped out.

Hatfield Hunter 12-07-2016 05:52 AM

My experience after 48 years of bow and gun hunting--a heart shot deer will bleed ! Period- either from the sides or through the mouth, BUT they will bleed ! especially a deer with 2 exit holes ! which most bullets will do when hitting chest area !

SecondChance 12-07-2016 08:17 AM

Upon reading this post brings me to my recent deer loss endeavor. I shot a really nice big fat doe this past firearms season here in Illinois. I shoot a .460 Smith pistol with 225grn Horn FlexTip at 1935fps. I shot her about 15mins from legal end of the day at 80yds. Saw her hunch up and run into the timber. Was amazed she didn't just drop. I aimed about 8 inches up from bottom while on shooting sticks. Went to impact spot. Found hair and large pieces of lung matter on the winter wheat. Figured good blood trail. Nope!!! Ran out within 10 yds. Left and brought back-up in the AM. Barely found blood and found where she fell down the hill and went maybe another 30yds. 70yds total from impact site. 'Yotes found her first. Peeled her inside out like a banana. Nothing rest of season. So I feel your pain when you don't find blood and KNOW it was a good hit.

Valentine 12-12-2016 05:43 AM

I learned a different technique
 
I learned from my first gun deer to drop it in the spot I shot it. I kept doing in the same way after that. One gun shot; instant dropping. One deer shot; deer down.

Got into archery again after some years away. Thought I needed to learn the blood drop searching.
Shot my first deer with a bow. Took out my compass, and took a directional reading on the last spot I saw the deer. First search was going to be right on the reading. Assumed it only went fifty yards.
Found the deer fifty or so yards away right in some thick cover; right on the last reading of the compass.

Had learned something gun hunting; learned to look for a whole deer and not some small blood drop.


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