Age and score please.
 

A friend sent a picture of two bucks that were taken in Southern tier of New York this past season. I don't know either hunter. Cograts to them both. I have a friend at work who thinks the 8 pointer is the older buck and the 10 point would score 115 max. Please I would like
some well thought out analysis of age and score. Personally I think the
10 is 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 and would score about 130 the 8 point is 2 1/2 max
Thanks

It's impossible to age a deer just by looking at a picture or rack, but a guess would be 2 1/2 and maybe 3 1/2. The bigger one might be 4 1/2, but I would think the rack would be better than that, unless the genetics there or food, or both, aren't very good. I doubt the better of the two will do better than 115", if that! The tines are very short and the right side mass looks very poor to get much of a score over that. My comments are just based on your question and not in the fact that the guys shouldn't have shot them or anything like that!

Two very nice deer, congratulations on the fine harvests! Tough to gauge age without seeing a deer on it's feet or it's teeth. The 10 is nice and heavy and likely go 120, but also might be in mid 120s. The eight is also a nice trophy and has a big old head. I do not think it's an older deer, however as it's not very heavy and doesn't show any "age" junk around the bases. Tine length means a lot in an overall score.

the 11 point here (guys in BG) is a very old deer, guessed at 7.5. Note the garbage around his bases and looks to be on the decline; score is 135

the big 8 is likely 3.5 or 4.5 and has junk on it's bases; score is 141

the big 9 is very heavy with one tine (#10) broken off and scores about 143. I'd guess at least 4.5, maybe 5.5 yrs old

Hope that helps a bit.

115" on the 10 pt? I don't know about that. I bet he pushes 130 or close to it. The tines are shorter maybe but the mass will get him there.

Id bet 130 on the one buck

He has decent mass at the bases and is decent on up on the left side. However, the right side is very weak as far as mass after you get past his brows. He also doesn't have a tine that looks like it would go over 5" at best. If the buck on the left in post #3 actually scored 135" I'm sticking with my guess, as I can't see the OP buck being within 5" of him like the 130" guesses would make him. Pictures are really hard to score, especially when there is only one at one angle. I've seen fights break out on threads like this where the deer has actually been scored and people come on the thread and still argue the score!

Its harder to score a deer based on pictures than it is to get a peice of string a tape mesure and go to the boone and crocket website and follow the instructions.then there is no guess work involved

Anybody on here have some advice on aging deer, especially by the teeth? I think it would be helpful for a lot of members on here. Nice bucks by the way.

Here's a link that has some pretty good pictures showing how deer are aged by tooth wear. What a deer eats and where it lives has a big influence on tooth wear. A deer that is mainly eating crops will not have the wear that a deer in the northern woods that is eating cedar a number of months during the winter to survive will have. A deer that is eating in sandy type soil will also have faster tooth wear that one that has plenty of food and doesn't have to have close contact with the ground.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...hart&FORM=IGRE

Just my 2 cents but that 10 pt. looks like it'd be right around that 3 1/2 range, with about:
15 inch main beams
16 inches of mass on each side (MAYBE)
16 inch spread (Again maybe, hard to tell from one picture)
2.5 inch brows
5 inch G2's
4 inch G3's
2inch G4's
= 107 inches <- My guess (Very roughly)

That 8 pt may be 2 1/2 and lucky to break 90 inches.

Just my opinion.

The picture that I attached was one that I managed to get during bow season and it BARELY broke 130.

Wisco94---I think your basic numbers are pretty close to what I figured when I said
115" at best. That's a nice buck you took with your bow and about what I would have figured him at with just that picture to look at.

Thanks Top. I once spoke with a taxidermist and he was telling me about how he has a set of teeth that are of different ages of deer. He says he uses it as a guideline to help age the deer people bring in because they are always asking him the age. I think it would be nice to have one of these. Anyone know if you can buy something similar? I don't think I have any teeth of an 8 year old buck laying around I think I'm fresh out. Perhaps I should have asked him.

Thanks, so far my best! I figured I would just throw some numbers out there for anyone who was wondering how we figured it would 115" at the most.

I would think that both deer are 2.5 years old. The ten point I would say could go 3.5 and the smaller buck could be a 1.5 year old. It all depends on genetics. I would have to see there body to make an accurate determination. Score wise, the one of the left is too small to even try. The Ten point might hit 115" inches on a good day, I'd say about 110". Unless that buck has two 10" drop tines I'm not seeing he's a long way off from 130".

Id love to hear the real score on some of these what would he score threads.for the most part we are ussualy left with nothing but our guesses

It wouldnt take two drop tines to jump from a score of 110 tp 130.all it would take is an under estamation of each mesurement by a little more than an inch.

***That's why I hate to even get involved in these type of threads because of exactly that and and an inch or two miss is easy to do when just looking at one picture, especially if the picture is at an angle where you can't even see it's spread, symetry, etc.

That exactly my point.its pretty hard to come up with an accurate score just from a picture.

Thanks to all of you for your input. Unless the original hunter sees the thread and post up actual numbers we will not know for sure.
I was thinking the ten might go closer to 130 than 115 because of his mass but with the numbers that have been put out there and pictures others have posted up, he probably is closer to the 115. Maybe it is a
good thing I did not bet. :wink:

The 10 might go to 120, and thats a stretch! The 8, not trying to knock someones buck, but he won't break 100!

these threads would be fun if the poster actually had the score. I think it is said on every "what will he score" trailcam shot. Shoot him and put a tape to him. Here we have a pic and the buck is dead, put a tape on him lol. I'm still sticking to my theory that he will push 130".

Like topgun said, an inch here and there will get him there. So wisco here is what I came up with, I think his main beam is still better than 20 but that's what I put down.

3"g1
avg. 6" for g2 and g3
2" g-4
18"mass each side
20" main beam
16" spread

Puts him at 126"

And all this doesn't matter if nobody ever puts a tape to him

I wish people would do the math and put the real score up after all the conversation,then your right it would be fun imatead we are left beating a dead horse.

Somebody tried that not long ago and mostly what they got was criticized for "worrying about the score"

Well i guess theres just no winning.anyways congrats on the bucks oneofthesedays.

I wish it was me in either one of the pictures. I hunted hard bow season and gun and did not fire a shot. Landowner had a "don't shoot does policy" I saw 15 deer the last day I hunted and not a single buck.
One last thing though. I thought B&C measured tine length from the center of the rack. That would put an inch on each time and may bump it up to low to mid 20s from that "rough score" of 107?

Oh ok well congrats to your buddy,dont feel bad i ate tag soup this year also.tine length like a g1or g2 is mesured on the outside from the tip of the tine down to where the main beam intersects.a scorer will ussualy use a strait edge or string to determine just where that is and mark it with a pencil,then mesure the tine length.

Exactly, it's simply too hard to estimate what a deer scores from one picture. Like others have already said, if you're off by just half an inch here or there, that can really add up quickly. I would enjoy seeing what they actually score just to know how close or far off these guesses are haha.

I agree wisco94, if you don't have the answer don't ask the questions lol

10 pt. less than 111, 8pt less than 90.

Have any of you folks ever checked out this site? I tried it a few years back when they first started, I thought it was pretty cool. Tho obviously not perfect.

http://www.buckscore.com/

This 8 I got several years back is almost exactly 115, if that helps as a reference at all

I love the shape of that rack and especially the shades he has on, LOL!

I think everyone would agree; 115 makes for a nice "trophy" already, huh ?