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Old 12-23-2013, 12:29 PM
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These stories are why I always shoot twice. At least. I am not chasing a deer down hill, or into a swamp, or onto someone else's property.

bang, bang, bang, until she drops for good.
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:50 PM
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wellyou can have DRT or you can track them it all depends on shot placement and what ya hit them with. hit them on the scapula,(the shoulder blade) with a high velocity thin skinned cup/core bullet, this is the place of most resistance, so you get more violent expansion, which does wonderful things
first a massive shockwave travels throughout the body, pushing blood backwards through the major blood vessels, and travels up the CNS to the brainstem, causing all systems to shut down NOW!, then the completely expanded bullet is sending fragments into the chest cavity shredding the heart and lungs. and ya lost 1 whole shoulder and probably the other.

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Old 12-23-2013, 12:56 PM
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I seen a video of a deer being shot with a 50 bmg,it still ran.no caliber will consistantly give you drt results unless you take out major bone structure or nervouse system damage.
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Old 12-23-2013, 02:21 PM
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I love all the iron clad deer tales.
Quite amusing except when you consider that all those iron plated deer that ran off to die later suffered because some boob lacked the shooting skill and/or discipline to do it right.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:19 PM
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For about 10 years I used a rem. model 660 chambered in 350 rem. mag, killed a lot of deer with the potent lil rifle, however our lil deer didn't have enough resistance for those big slugs, I only saw it put one deer on the ground at the report, but he was on his feet and running so quick I wasn't really sure he went down at all, he didn't go far and evidence of a hit was really clear, hair, shreds of meat and blood blown back through the laurel brush. I've killed many DRT with lighter faster rifles, 243 win. and 25 wssm mostly, a few with a 270 running 110 gr hornady HP's, and a bunch with a 6mm
now adays I like an exit hole, they leak better when you don't make that shoulder shot that drops them on the spot.
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Old 12-24-2013, 03:14 PM
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I knocked them over with a crossbow and had one run about sixty yards shot at twenty yards with a 30/06.Deer are tough and can amaze you with what they can take.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:09 AM
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The more you hunt and the more game you shoot or see shot merely emphasizes the fact that every deer will react differently. Some drop, some stagger around and fall over, some run like the hounds of hell are after them and travel an amazing distance.

I read an article once written by an African PH in Zimbabwe who also happened to be a licensed veterinarian by the name of Kevin Robertson. He conducted some pretty extensive studies on game and bullet performance during culling operations and went so far as to dissect many animals in the field. He exempted head shots, spine shots and shots that broke both shoulders In other words, he was looking strictly at chest shots. He theorized that sometimes the animals basic physiology dictated the way they respond. He found most of it related to blood pressure.

The anatomy of every animal is unique in that the major blood vessels never lie exactly the same from one animal to the other. So, 2 shots placed in the same area may very well cause different reactions since one may hit a major blood vessel while the other just misses it. Less initial blood loss means the animal can travel farther. He also found that on heart shots, the pumping action of the heart makes a big difference.

If the bullet hit the heart in a chamber that is in the process of empting of blood then it results in a different reaction than a chamber fully full of blood. This is due to basic hydraulics: Liquid under pressure has to go someplace. What he found was the displacement of the liquid (blood) by the bullet causes severe damage to the heart muscle. A bullet that doesn't displace the liquid does less immediate damage and the animal will live a little longer and can travel farther. He also found that on rare occasions the displacement of blood by a bullet in a full chamber of the heart can be so severe that the blood under extreme pressure can travel straight to the brain and basically cause a massive cerebral stroke. That is why some heart shot animals can run off and some go down like they are hit by lightning.

Additionally he found that a shot that was slightly high of the heart and hit several of the major blood vessels that feed the heart and also the lower lungs on average resulted in the fastest average death. Reduced blood supply to the heart means reduced blood to the brain. Holes in the lungs means less oxygen in the intact vessels which means what blood does reach the brain is carrying a depleted supply of oxygen. The result is an animal that can only manage a few steps if any.

I found the article to be very interesting. The average PH in Africa sees more game shot in 1 season than most people see shot in a lifetime. These guys pretty much know what they are talking about. He also stated the proper spot to aim on a game animal is the far shoulder and not the near shoulder. The reason is that in order to get to the far shoulder the bullet has to pass through the vitals no matter what angle the animal is standing at in relation to the hunter. You can shoot at the near shoulder and still miss most of the vitals depending on the shot angle. Additionally if the bullet makes it through the vitals and breaks the far shoulder the animal will usually go down immediately and not be able to regain its feet since both the vitals and the bone structure have been damaged.

After reading the article, I slightly altered my aiming points on game as he suggested and I've noticed cleaner kills. Food for thought.

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Old 12-25-2013, 05:07 AM
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1 shot with a .30-06, shoulder shot, 165 grain Core Lokt...I can count on one hand how many went more than 10 yards.
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