The perfect slug gun for deer?
I started my hunting with a bow. After several deer over several years I expanded to ML as well. For 2012 I decided to build a perfect slug gun for the New England woods.
I settled on a savage 220, scoped, shooting Remmington Accutip 2 3/4" slugs. The gun shoots silly groups to 100 yards. I shot three deer this season. Each broadside. I failed to pass through any of the deer. I killed them quickly, but the lack of penetration has me thinking I may have an experience that makes me regret this combination and it's lack of pass through power. Three shots and three dead deer. Should I be satisfied? |
Yep, dead is dead!
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Barnes Expander
I'm a big Barnes expander tip guy, Take a look see here. 1 inch drop @ 200 yards ain't bad. That said, like Top Gun said...dead is dead. Try out different lines and compare, if nothing else, you will have some fun.:party0005:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/2010/09...advart_201007/ |
hornady sst's great slugs
remington coppersolids great slugs and the federal barnes has more than 1 inch of drop read the whole article. it says 4 inch high at 95 yds dead on at 167yds 4 inch low at 195 yds and less than an inch more at 200 yrds. so basically 5 inch low at 200 yds which is right on par with the hornady 20 gauge ammo Federal’s current 275-grain Expander Tipped 20-gauge sabot load at 1,900 fps nominal velocity. Sighted-in for maximum point-blank range on an 8-inch-diameter target (the approximate diameter of a whitetail deer’s vital area), the maximum 4-inch rise over line of sight is at 95 yards, dead zero comes at 167 yards, and drop below 4 inches comes at 195 yards. Drop at 200 yards is less than an inch more Read more: http://www.shootingtimes.com/2010/09...#ixzz2GsUh2ber |
ooh good
Originally Posted by snapper1982
(Post 4023163)
hornady sst's great slugs
remington coppersolids great slugs and the federal barnes has more than 1 inch of drop read the whole article. it says 4 inch high at 95 yds dead on at 167yds 4 inch low at 195 yds and less than an inch more at 200 yrds. so basically 5 inch low at 200 yds which is right on par with the hornady 20 gauge ammo Federal’s current 275-grain Expander Tipped 20-gauge sabot load at 1,900 fps nominal velocity. Sighted-in for maximum point-blank range on an 8-inch-diameter target (the approximate diameter of a whitetail deer’s vital area), the maximum 4-inch rise over line of sight is at 95 yards, dead zero comes at 167 yards, and drop below 4 inches comes at 195 yards. Drop at 200 yards is less than an inch more Read more: http://www.shootingtimes.com/2010/09...#ixzz2GsUh2ber |
hornady ssts are great i use them in my gun they shoot pretty flat we shot it in at 50yds and it was still hitting the bulleseye at 130Yds
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I would be worried about not getting a pass through. I lost my best buck, until this season anyway, to a shot that had no pass through. It left no sign of a hit and sadly I didn't search too hard thinking I missed. Found the deer a few days later.
I switched to Nosler Partitions to get pass throughs. So you might consider finding a round that will pass through just to get a blood trail in case one runs. |
Sorry, but just because a projectle passes thorugh an animal doesn't mean it's better than one that doesn't. If it hasn't expanded and dropped most of it's energy in the animal, it may well not have done as much damage as the projectile that didn't exit. If it did, then yes, two holes are probably better than one. It sounds as if your not searching too hard after the hit was more the problem than the projectile not doing what it was supposed to.
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Originally Posted by tight360
(Post 4023190)
thanks for getting that straightened out, because you know, the article was there. Did I miss speak? Good thing you read the whole article.
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I shoot the same slugs out of my SuperNova for the last 4 years (4 dead deer) now and had only one not pass all the way thru.
It was a full frontal shot and passed the full length of the deers body (big doe), snapped the front leg, rear leg bone and ended up just under the skin by the tail where I retrieved it. I estimated that the distance traveled inside the deer was close to 24" plus breaking 2 leg bone, not bad performance. Below is the slug that I retrieved from the deer, .920" expansion |
Pass throughs do make for much better blood trails on any non drt's. If I had the option, I'd prefer load strong enough to pass through. That said, slugs do have higher than average drt's.
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The 3" AccuTip has a bit more get up and go. The Federals have been effective for me too, but they seem to have a little more drop than the Remington.
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Except for arrows I simply don't worry about pass throughs...
A lung shot deer is going to die quickly and usually drop within 75 yards... There will be blood after a few yards as they will bleed out of the nose and mouth... Even with pass throughs sometimes the exit wound gets plugged with other matter... Typically bullets that stay in a deer create a wider wound channel and drop the animal faster... If you want to drop them on the spot, go to a high shoulder or neck shot... |
I did miss speak....
Originally Posted by snapper1982
(Post 4023302)
no sir you did not miss speak. and the way the srtical is written i can see how you came to what you said. but i am limmited to slugguns for deer and thats what i grew up using so i know a little about slugs and there is not a slug made that only has 1 inch of drop at 200. i just didnt want people to think and start telling others that slugs dont have any drop is all. the slug you mentioned is a fantastic slug
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Myself and my friend both have the 220f both set up the same, same scope, same mounts, same ammo, remington accu-tip 3", both of us shooting the same groups. The first week of December 2012 my friend shot a 375 # dress weight bear at 60 yds., the bear went 15 yds.
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YEAP!!! I have the same slug gun...its AWESOME!!!
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The mast crop has been good, and we had a mild winter last season. It has been my observation (after taking 7 deer this season) that they seem to be "fat and healthy". Maybe this has effected the penetration.
As for blood trails, I have had very little. One dropped almost right away, but the other two did the "death run". I found little blood for the first 50-75 yards before finding the deer over 100 yards away. My bullets were mushroomed, no as symmetrically as the picture posted, but expanded and retained mass. I would hate to learn my lesson the hard way. I'm new to slug guns so I don't have the experience that many of you have. |
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