C. Davis

According to my ballistic calculator, a 165gr pointed soft point boat tail 3006 bullet with a BC of 0.437 starting out a 2808 fps will be:

25 yds. - .602 inches high.
50 yds. - 2.853 inches high
100 yds- 5.984 inches high

at 200 yards, it will peak out at 8.332 inches high.
at 350 yards it will be dead on.

With that load, to be 12 inches high at 100 yards, you would be need to sight in to be aprox. 2.111 inches high at 25 yards.

According to my calculator, zrex.. is right.
The set up is with the center of the scope 1.5 inches above the barrel.
Think about it. In the scant distance of 25 yards the bullet traveling at 2808 fps is going from -1.5 inches low to about 2 inches high.
It will top out at 22 1/2 inches at 300 yards, and be dead on at 523 yards.

To sum all that up, there is a big difference in being dead on at 25 yards, and 2 inches high.

C. Davis

Topgun 3006

"With that load, to be 12 inches high at 100 yards, you would be need to sight in to be aprox. 2.111 inches high at 25 yards.
According to my calculator, zrex.. is right.
The set up is with the center of the scope 1.5 inches above the barrel.
Think about it. In the scant distance of 25 yards the bullet traveling at 2808 fps is going from -1.5 inches low to about 2 inches high."

How does that make him right and where do you get a -1.5" until the bullet is way out there past it's peak and starts dropping? What is that - 1.5" in reference to? See my post above and look at the chart in that link I provided. From what you have posted it would appear to support exactly what I and a number of others have stated. The bullet may start out 1.5" below the level of the scope as it leaves the muzzle if that's what you're talking about, but it appears your post is exactly what I stated. It shows you have to be over 1/2" high at 25 yards to hit about 6" high at 100 and he's saying his gun was on zero at 25 yards and it resulted in him being 12" high at 100 yards. Therefore, he claims he had to be at a negative number at 25 yards to be zeroed at 100 yards. I still say no way and it appears your ballistics calculations show that! Please, what am I missing here when you have then stated that to be 12" high at 100 you would have to be over 2" high at 25, not a - figure like he stated?

Champlain Islander

That makes sense and is in the ball park of where I thought it would be with a zero at 350. That 06 bullet will be losing a bunch of steam by that time though. I doubt that I would want to punch much more than some paper or a milk jug at that distance. Topgun I don't think you are missing anything. I think you are talking the same thing as CD just pointed out.

Topgun 3006

Champlain Islander---I agree with you if the minus 1.5" figure means below line of sight because the bullet is never below the muzzle after it is fired. To answer your statement about only punching paper at 350 yards I punched in the figures in his example in the Hornady Ballistic Calculator that is available on line and it shows that bullet would still have 1512 ft/lbs of energy at 400 yards and 1268 ft/lbs at 500. That means based on the old school of experts that feel a bullet should have 1000 at POI for a deer and 1500 at POI for an elk that it would be good on deer at 500+ and out to 400 for elk. Some feel those numbers are higher than needed at POI to kill those animals and if that's the case the distances would even be further for both animals. It's not that the bullet won't do the job at those distances, but rather if a person can routinely put the bullet in the vitals at those distances.

pyclub1

Charlie P LMAO... WOW, this thread is tearing me up, I have had 4 different people in my office 2day and yesterday showing them the posts and laughing my butt off. I think this should somehow get on Jay Leno. This could be the funnest thread I have ever been a part of.... 1/4 turn at 100 is 0 at 25 12" high at 350 scope is riding the gun with plenty of meds to make good clearance on my smashed 4 wheeler after 8 missed deer 10 times killed a doe with horns dad tagged the butcher....

Topgun 3006

You have a very weird sense of humor if you think anything in this thread is funny!!!

Champlain Islander

Good point on the applied energy at long yardage topgun. None of my numerous deer over the years have been beyond 125 yds since the terrain in Vt/ NY, NH and Maine isn't condusive to long shots. Since I have started to hunt out west the possibility of a longer shot at a much larger and tougher animal than a deer is present. I doubt that my shooting ability or confidence in the load would allow me to take a shot over 300 yds.

Topgun 3006

I'm with you on that and I shoot off a camera tripod out there to make sure of my shots. It's mainly because my eyes are getting bad as I get into my mid 60s and not because any of my rifles won't take an animal way past that 300 yards you mentioned. IMHO there are an awful lot of people that I see on my Wyoming trips that are shooting at much longer distances than they should be, especially on small antelope, and many are doing it freehand! That tells me they don't know much or don't care and are not being fair to the animals they are hunting.

Champlain Islander

I agree with that Topgun. I can still see well at distance due to Lasik but don't ask me to read off a menue without reading glasses. Strange as it may be I can still shoot well through iron sights but I have to paint them for a contrast. Here is one that I use once in a while when in the big woods like Maine or northern NH and Vt. it is a 7600 aught 6 with a Williams peep and a firedot front sight. Still can pick that up especially when it is aimed a big dark brown deer running through the snow. I always use a scoped gun out west though.

Topgun 3006

That's a pretty neat setup for that type of short range hunting up where you are! My eyes are so screwed up as I get older (20/400 without glasses and about 20/40 with) that I can't use anything but a scoped rifle. When the distances start increasing it's getting tougher every year out there even with the good Leupold scopes I have on everything. One of these years the Doc says I'm going to need cornea transplants and I also have cataracts in both eyes that thankfully have not enlarged over the last few years. If they do, I would also have to have surgery for those. Thank God the rest of my body is in the shape of a much younger person and I can still walk all day out there if needed.