Originally Posted by brewman555

I live and hunt in Va and dogs can be and are a problem....but what I find an even worse problem is the hunters who come on your property looking for their lost dogs while your sitting in your stand....these guys should have to wait till AFTER legal hunting is over before they can come on any property to look for the dogs so as NOT to screw up your hunt make a bad situation even worse....I also think if you use a dog it's no different then me using a bow..shotgun or muzzle loader....YOU SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.....like $5 a dog.....
I don't believe in shooting anyone's dogs....they are just doing what there bred to do...chase deer....they don't know property lines .....but the hunters do and SOME DON'T CARE.....I had two run around the place Im hunting a week ago.....if it happens again I'm gonna take a box of MILK BONES with me a see just how hungry these dogs are.....don't know how well a dog will run with a belly full of bones......

Originally Posted by brewman555

If you want to run your dogs during hunting season.....put a leash on them and go jogging.....

Originally Posted by Jim Burns

Sounds to me like a lot of you boys need to move out of Virginia and go somewhere where your kind is more tolerated, say California, they banned hound hunting and now are in the prosess of trying to ban all hunting. Houndhunting has been a part of Virginias heritage since Virginia has been arround, about 400 years, the Virginia state dog is a American Fox Hound. Get it?

I dont agree with tresspassing on peoples property but that crap happens everywhere, not just with hound hunters. It seems some of you are trying to classify all hound hunters in the same light, there are bad examples of hunters in all forms of hunting. Because some hunters poach and spotlight, does that mean ALL hunters practice the same tactics? Of course not, but listening to you guys on this thread you make it sound like all hound hunters are tresspassers and dont respect other hunters. We are all hunters, it doesnt matter what tactics you practice, when you devide each other you are playing right into the hands of the antis and animal rights groups. Take a good look at California, they have banned hound hunting and I just recently read a article stateing they wasnt going to stop there. The fully intend on banning all hunting in the state of California, they are even changing the name of the California Fish & Game to California Fish & Wildlife, game is associated with hunting, which they dont want no part of.

A link to hound hunting in Virginia.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26916860.../#.UMc67IOunK0

Here is another link you should read.
http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=6594

Originally Posted by Ohboy

Does anyone know how many deer are killed by "still" hunters compared to what is killed by "dog" hunters? I would love to know a number. I have read what the kill numbers are for each county and city in VA but its all about thinning the herds and the population.
I love still hunting and would do it as much as possible during the hunting season but honestly, how many deer does a still hunter kill each year? Not enough to control a herd and population. Not like dog hunters do with the hunt clubs. If hunting with dogs came to a end in VA, then the population would be over run and deer would be everywhere and would be so much inbreeding going on it would hurt the herds. If anyone is a "trophy" hunter looking for a nice buck i think that would be an impossible hunt cause a buck would have so many does he wouldnt have to get up and move, the woods would be filled with them and you'd never see him i think. It would be hard to even go in the woods cause so many deer would be around trying to find bedding areas you would jump them up all over trying to find a spot. Yea it would make hunting a challenge but most people cant fill enough tags in a year to do any damage to a herd.
I know this is all about dogs and owners going on others land and thats what yall hate the most but the fact is, most likely VA wont ever ban it, maybe they will have regulations on it which i agree on but not ban it.
Also, Hunters for the hungry, most the meat comes from hunt clubs that run dogs. Do we still hunters actually kill a deer and say im going to donate it today and not keep any meat? Yeah right be real. Hunt clubs may kill anywhere from 1 to 20 deer a day and will donate a ton of meat to hunters for the hungry to help familys out.
Also, Dog hunters help out the economy, wether you like it or not. We dog hunters buy way more gas, food, ammo, guns, clothing, equipment and etc. than any still hunters.
This is just a few things nobody else has mentioned and im not looking to argue, this is just a few facts or something to think about that goes along with hound hunting.

Originally Posted by VAhuntr

You need to read the article I posted Mr. Burns. The VAHDA leadership screwed hunters last year during the General Assembly session. Furthermore, the VDGIF is in support of lifting the ban and they have surveys from a majority of hunters who want the ban lifted.

And yes, you can hunt in VA on Sunday if you hunt on a licensed shooting preserve. You just can't hunt on your own property. How much durn sense does that make?

Originally Posted by cpljbuck

Hahaahaa, it makes sense because, yet again, MONEY!

Originally Posted by brewman555

Look under general information.....Page 19 ....UNLAWFUL METHODS.....

It is unlawful to :
Hunt wild birds and wild animals with firearms or other weapons on Sunday....EXCEPT on a licensed shooting preserve.
Like I said you can hunt on Sundays....and run dogs on Sundays chasing bear....so I
guess it's not a day day of rest after all......

Originally Posted by cpljbuck

In addition, hunters are not allowed to cross the property lines, no matter what, (weather they are looking for their dogs or their kill) unless they have permission to do so. Last weekend or two ago, my friends deer ran onto the neighboring property. I could not in any way find who owned it as it belongs to an LLC and is land locked. Fortunatly the game warden was using my property to get to the landlocked property looking for poachers. He helped us for an hour or so tracking the animal on the other property without our guns and we found that the deer had crossed back onto our land after crossing through the other property and creek. If people are trespassing to "look" for their dogs, they need to be reported too. It is unfortunate that we have a "what is mine, not yours" mentallity, but facts are facts and that is the way it is. We shoudl be able to adopt Swedish Law which basically states that land and nature is for everyone. People still own what is theirs, but everyone can hunt and hike and camp anywhere as long as they clean up after themselves. Sad to say, many people do not do that here in the good ol' U.S. of A.