Thanks for all the tips I got a decent deal on a primos with a 1 year warranty it seems like it will do ok for now until i can buy something better.

Moultrie M-80's are $140 and work PERFECTLY. I also like the Bushnell Trophy Cam, but highly suggest the Moultrie.. I've bought 6 this year and not had a problem or complaint yet!

New Moultrie M80 black flash are about 160 on ebay and are amazing and completely undetectable.

Reconyx is the best camera I have owned. The batteries last FOREVER. I've taken approximately 20,000 pictures, and still have 99% battery life left!

I am a Bushnell Trophy guy all the way. Regardless of the cost range a guy looks at, dollar for dollar the Bushnells are always remarkable.

I have never seen cams that use such little battery power! When you add the extremely long battery service you just can't look at the Bushnell cams as winners.

Pick up a couple stealth cams the other week. So far so good. Good pics at night and very simple to set what you want it to do: 1 shot 3 shot burst. Or if u want it to take video for 15 or 30 sec. Great night shoots as well!

check out spypoint cameras.
they have one with what they call black flash.
where the infrared lights are black and cant be seen by the deer

I started using DLC Covert white flash cameras last year and they have worked great. If you want quality night pictures you can't get better than a white flash camera color night-time photos, instead of IR, and I've been using white flash since 2003 and haven't had any deer spook either. DLC Covert makes the Covert Reveal 8.0 MP, I bought mine online for $110 plus shipping cost (about $120-130). It uses 8 AA batteries. It's been out since August 1st (set to take a picture every 3 minutes) and still has 2/3 bars on the battery meter, and has taken about 900 pictures.