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Stonewall308 01-25-2012 11:59 AM

I'm sure .243 is sufficient. I'm extremely sure .30-06 is sufficient. I use .30-06.

Ghost of the hardwoods 01-25-2012 12:38 PM

The .243 is........100% sufficient for deer. And yes Stonewall.... so is the OL' 06!

Topgun 3006 01-25-2012 05:22 PM

Yep, I'm a "tweener" and also shoot deer and antelope with my Ruger 25-06 along with my pre 64 Model 70 Win 30-06 and Sako 243!!!

Valentine 01-26-2012 04:52 AM

Hunters survive . . .
 
on small differences. Haven't heard any scientist exclaim the vast difference between a .243 width and a .30 width. And if a hunter finds success, it's not necessary for others to follow his lead. There are over 15 calibers, that hunters have found successful over the years.
Now what I would object to, is personally having at least 15 calibers for deer hunting.

westtexducks 01-26-2012 09:46 AM

And what is wrong with having 15 different calibers that will kill a deer? I always liked the whole "The more the merrier" attitude personally. :biggrin: You dont want them rifles getting lonely.:s1:

Topgun 3006 01-26-2012 10:53 AM

That's right! It you don't have enough that they're touching in your safe(s) you need to add to the collection, LOL!!!

dejager 01-27-2012 08:33 AM

i could help make some more room by taking some of them off you hands LOL!!!!!:happy0001:

mr.mc54 01-27-2012 10:58 AM

As the old saying goe "a snub nose .38 kills just as dead as a cannon". A well placed shot is more important than cal. I do love my .243, well, I love em all. Lets see, 30.30, 45/70, .243, .270, .44, yes, (even the old .44). I should be able to take just about any N/A big game animal.

Its all in what you like and can afford, thats what matters.:s2:

prairienights 01-28-2012 06:54 AM

I have a question...and please excuse my ignorance if it's a ridiculous question, I'm very new to firearms and hunting :)

Would a larger round/more powerful rifle not ruin more meat on a harvested animal? On a well placed vitals shot, you're not really aiming at the valuable meat areas anyways so it wouldn't necessarily matter how big the hole is. But if you can make a well-placed vitals shot, you wouldn't need a larger caliber to get the job done anyways. So in theory (perhaps not so much in practical real life use), wouldn't a hunter want to use the smallest caliber that s/he is confident with to make a clean kill shot?

It just seems like a "less is more" situation. There is absolutely no question that a .243 can kill a deer, and it could potentially result in a less-damaged carcass than a larger round. Is that not more preferable if the hunter is confident in making a good shot?

Topgun 3006 01-28-2012 02:37 PM

Just putting a bullet of any old caliber in the vitals doesn't mean that the animal will die quickly and hopefully all ethical hunters want to kill any animal as quickly and humanely as possible. That is where ft./lbs. of energy come into play. A bullet basically kills an animal by hydrostatic shock to the system as well as by secondary blood loss, whereas an arrow kills by loss of blood unless a poor shot hits the spine. The .243 and smaller calibers were designed for smaller game like deer, antelope, coyotes, etc. because they do not produce enough energy to quickly kill a bigger animal like an elk most of the time. That, in turn, can allow an animal like that to cover a lot of ground and be lost because of a poor or no blood trail to follow. Also, if you must shoot a large animal with that caliber for lack of any other gun available it should be with a heavy for caliber bonded bullet and you should wait for a broadside or slightly quartering away shot so that the bullet does not have to travel thorugh any more flesh/bone than necessary to reach the vital heart/lung area. A larger bullet like that from a .270 or 30-06 through the chest cavity will result in very little lost meat because there is not much there to begin with. It is best not to try and use the smallest caliber that may do the job, but to use as big a caliber as you can shoot properly to up your chance for a quick kill. With the stock designs and recoil pads available today, as well as the reduced recoil loads for the bigger calibers, there is really no reason to use a .243 on elk size game IMHO! I've been hunting since 1953, mentor youth hunters as much as possible, and with the equipment available today there is no need to use a small caliber for a large, tough animal like an elk.


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