my rifle miss fired this year
 

I have a 25-06 remington rifle. I have had nothing but good luck with this gun up untill this season. Opening morning walking out to my blind i have bullets in my gun but not one in the chamber. I put one in the chamber as soon as i get into the blind. Anyways as i slid the bolt back on the gun and pushed it forward which put a shell into the chamber it fired. I didnt have a finger on the trigger. I clean my guns quite often. Give me some of your thoughts on why this would happen.
-Thanks

Did you reload another round after that? What happened?

When you open the bolt, can you see the firing pin?

yes i loaded another shell in after that and its fine. The firing pin is fine. I shot the gun several times after that and it shot well. I have no idea why it did that.

I almost feel like this is spam to make Remmy look bad, but you have enough in your sig that I almost gotta believe ya.... Unfortunately this has been a reported problem. Although not proven. Remington says its from bad cleaning or basement gunsmiths messing around. Look on remingtons website, they have a response to this somewhere. Maybe someone here still has it saved. I would contact remington though if I were you.
-Jake

Sounds like a loose nut.....

I'm probably wrong but wasn't there a recall for this problem some time back?

something about a shim that wasnt spec right and the gun can fire on safe?

I had the same thing happen several years ago with a remington 270 and
I got rid of it as I no longer trusted it and it was not safe at all.

I don't believe you can work the bolt when the rifle is on safe. That's the catch. To unload the chamber, you need to switch the safety to the fire position.

Sounds like this hunter was smart and responsible and had his rifle pointed in a safe direction so nobody got hurt.

I have a Remington 700 and have never had a problem. However, I really do prefer a 3 position safety that allows working the bolt when the gun is on safe. My Savage is like that.

Remington 700's have had a similar issue years back. I have a late 1970's vintage Rem. 700 in 300 Win. mag that misfired twice. First time I thought maybe it was my doing. I had a nice buck in the scope. Flipped the safety from "on" to "off" ... the gun fired. It was a cold morning. I had gloves on. So I figured I "fat fingered" the trigger. Same thing happend later in that season. I had been still hunting, as I was scouting for a place to set my climbing stand. I found the tree .... pushed the safety "off" to unload the rifle, preparing to climb up then lift my rifle on a rope. It fired. Scared the pee out of me. Gunsmith told me of the recall .... which I had missed ... and the fix was simple. Could be something similar going on with your rifle. In any event, if I were you, I'd get it to a good gunsmith and get that flaw repaired !!!

The 700 series had that defect from the time it went into production decades ago and Mike Walker, the engineer that designed the system for them told them it needed tweaking because in certain circumstances, just like you described, it can fire without touching the trigger. The Remington brass played circle jerk until over 2 million were sold and then they decided it would be too expensive to do a major recall and that they would handle lawsuits on a case by case basis and keep the problem quiet. There have been over 20 deaths attributed to what you experienced because some people had the gun pointed in the wrong direction when it went off. Remington finally did away with that trigger a few years ago and changed it to what Mr. Walker had wanted many years ago to eliminate misfires. However, the rotten SOBs are now putting the old trigger system in the 770 series to save money and compete with Savage and some of the other lower priced rifles on the market. They should be sued right into bankruptcy IMHO for the way they have mishandled that problem and continue to produce suspect products that can kill you!

Take your rifle to a competent gunsmith and have them put a Timney or other brand trigger in there so you don't have it happen again.

It happened at our camp twice about 10 or 12 years ago. From that point I forbid any 700s from being used on our lease.

Maybe it was a drastic move. But we have had no more incindents. One of the guns that went off sent a 270 bullet through the floor board of my buggy I left the hole their as a reminder.

all you guys, was there freezing weather?

Go to the link and read about it, seems to be the best explanation that I've found to the problems. Look at the FBO FBC section down the page. http://gunsmiths.com/articledetail.php?id=87

amazing no one is blaming the hunter, and praising remmington. That is what usually happens when this accidental discharge is mentioned in any forum.

I'd be hard pressed to buy a remmington rifle.

I have a newer 700 and you can work the bolt with the gun on safe, I do it to unload everytime I use it. Drop the bullets out the bottom to empty it, then work the bolt to remove the chambered one. Simple.

I did the research on the miss-fires before I bought, it it tied to older ones and has been redesigned. Others were the result of creating a "hair trigger" and back yard gun smiths screwing around.

A guy that hunted with us had this happen. I was not there that day, but the story goes he was loading an old 700 at the side of the road before going into the woods. Loaded the mag, then slid one into the chamber..........boom. That guy went home for another gun and that one was put away. Don't know what the cause really was as the gun was an older model.

One thing I would look at is completely tearing down the bolt to see if there is rust or crud inside that may have prevented the pin from returning to its normal position.

i love remington. That is all i shoot and i would never dis on them. There is a 3 position safety on the gun but i never bother to use the center safety loading and unloading my gun. I am having a gun smith look at it. thank you all for your comments and help.

thanks Duck7604 for the link

Thanks for the link too. That was very interesting !

no sir it was not freezing.

by the way I am a Remington guy. I own 2 wingmasters a 20 and 12 and 2 1100s a 20 and a 28.

IMO the 870 wingmaster is the best pump gun ever made. and the same goes for the 1100 in semi auto.

I have owned a 700 for around fifteen years and never had a problem with it, In fact i just bought another one last year. Im not for or against remington not changing the design earlier. Im against the idiots who handled the rifle and killed someone. Anything mechanical can and will FAIL.

Duck7604---Did you not read that link in it's entirety? I don't know how you can make those statements if you did!!! Remington could have taken care of the problem they knew existed for decades and didn't do it strictly to enhance the bottom line---profits Sir!!! That link is by far the best I've ever read on this subject and I wish everyone with a Remington that was made before they changed the trigger design a few years ago could read it. It definitively states that any one of those rifles with the Walker trigger can go off no matter how well the rifle has been taken care of because of it's intrinsic poor design! There have been THOUSANDS of instances of the rifles firing and thank God in all but a very few instances the gun was pointed in a safe direction. There was one instance where a lady thought she had her's pointed in a safe direction when she went to unload it and it went off. The bullet went clear through a trailer and killed her son who was on the far side. Don't tell me that would never happen to you because that could happen to any of us! Even if the rifle was pointed at the ground when it went off it would have been possible for a richochet to do harm to persons or property. That is why anyone who has one of those older rifles made before the trigger mechanism was changed a few years ago should do what that gunsmith stated and have it replaced with a reliable trigger mechanism. It really burns my rearend when people say: "I've had my 700 for years and nothing has ever happened" like you just did after being given the facts and then even worse come up with that assinine statement: "I'm against the idiots who handled the rifle and killed someone!". It's people like you that it will probably happen to next and God forbid where it will be pointed when it happens!!!

Well...I won't be pulling my Remington 270 up the tree with the safety on anymore..DANG!! I never heard of anything like this before..

Chuck, good idea. As mentioned before though.... Mechanical things do fail! Although I do it, WE ALL KNOW it is a bad idea to climb a tree or pull up a rifle while the chamber is loaded, whether the safety is on or not. We all know that, but many people are lazy, including myself most of the time. The #1 rule of safety is keep the barrel in a safe direction. If that rule is always followed, there should be no "accidents"
-Jake

jesus H!!!...its a rule. always a bad idea to have a round in the chamber doin this. i think its right after, "dont pull the trigger to see if the gun is safe."

Topgun 3006..
While I strongly agree Rem is guilty, knows of the problem and has known it for years and Rem has had law suits and had to pay up.
They can't even get that Remington Underfire Report off the air they are so guilty..
But A safe direction to point a gun is not a building, vehicle , trailer..
Yes bullets ricochet...
But she was pointing directly at the trailer.. No excuse for that firearm behavior what so ever..
She is at fault.. If my wife did that and killed one of my kids..
I wouldn't stop punching her face in...
I'd more than likely kill her right there..

It's NOT A MIS-FIRE. It's an unintentional discharge, or accidential discharge.

I'm sure not going to argue that she or the others where there was an injury or death and the firearm was pointed at someone weren't partially at fault. What I'm getting at is that the rifle could just as easily be pointed at the ground and a richochet could hit an unintended victim or it could be pointed up in the air and the bullet could come down and kill somebody a mile or two away. Both those scenarios would be where the firearm is pointed away from anything the carrier didn't intend to shoot, but something bad happened. My point is that no matter how careful we are, a firearm should not go off unless the trigger is pulled and that is not the case with the 700 series with the old Walker trigger.