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Deepsouthdeerjunky 08-08-2011 08:48 AM

Lock on.... Theres gotta be an easier way!
 
Hey guys,
so yesterday i strayed from my normal ways of just using climbing stands and went and put in a lock on set... Worst day in the deer woods ever! Putting in the screw in steps was annoying but not that difficult.. the part that baffeled me was when i got the stand up to me and trying to actually get it on the tree where i wanted it... i felt like i needed two extra hands to get it set! After nearly 3 1/2 hrs and almost falling out of the tree once or twice i finally got it set up.. There has got to be an easier way to do this... i love the setup now that its in place but if its goin to be that much of a struggle every time i go to put it up i would just assume pic a lil less desireable tree and use my ol man climber....
What do yall do to get the stand up and set in place?? we just useed a pull up rope and man power.. will it get easier the more we do it or does everyone struggle like i did????

WNYhunter 08-08-2011 11:25 AM

it does suck putting them up, but here are a couple of things we do to make it easier. wear a body harness, for 2 reasons. 1st, safety, safety, safety. 2nd if you adjust that harness just right you can relax and just worry about the stand. Put 2 screw in peggs where you will be standing, it sucks standing on one, changing feet ect, ect... Lately we have gone as far as putting a light portable up just to work on. It is called the cheap seat, weighs nothing, easy to put up and from there you put up the heavier perminent one from a platform. Good luck doing them from now on and hopefully I helped you out some.

Mojotex 08-08-2011 12:49 PM

My $02. I set up 6-8 lock-ons every fall. Have for years. Here's what works for me.

I use a safety similar to a line-man's pole climbing D-Ring belt. Lets me climb using the ladder and/or steps with a reasonable degree of safety , and at the same time leaves both hands free when the work time comes.

I use a stick ladder where possible and screw-in step where not, or a combination there-of depending upon the form of the tree. Once I reach where I want the lock-on to be placed, I screw in a step about 2' above that level. I hang a simple single pulley/rope system that I made from a cheap pulley and 3/8" nylon braided rope on to that "step".

I climb back down and attach the lock-on to the rope and hoist it up to the approximate height of the stand location and tie it off. I then climb back up and attach the lock-on to the tree. The weight being supported by the pulley/rope system and having both hands free makes is a snap to strap the lock-on in place.

Once I have the lock-on secured in place, about 6" below my last step or ladder rung, I step off onto it and set up a safety rope that extends to ground level using 5/16" t 3/4" climbing rope. I also screw in a couple of steps well above, but in reach, from my last step for hand-holds. I can later use these to hang my pack or binos (whatever). I climb back down and call it good to go.

I use a 3-wrap Prussic knot to attach my safety harness to the safety rope. I stay attached to the Prussic until I get set up in the stand, then transfer my safety harness over to the tree. This might sound like over kill, but one slushy, sleeting day abut 20 years ago I slipped off a screw-in step and fell about 7'. Luckily I had no injury other than a badly scraped shin and a bruised hip. If that had happened near the top of that ladder, I could have fallen about 16' .... and I imagine that day would have had a much less lucky ending.

If you are not familiar with a Prussic it is simple to do. There are several You-Tube demos out there demonstrating how to tie and use this knot.

Bukmastr 08-08-2011 12:58 PM

I use a L/W hang-on and sticks and pull the set up every time.. I hunt a new tree each sit. I wear the stand on my back so I don't need to pull up the stand... I am so used to putting it up that it ain't much more work than useing a climber... You just need to do it a few times.
With my set up I can hunt any tree, rather than hunting for straight limbless and it only takes me 10 to 15 minutes for most set ups...

onion721 08-08-2011 04:53 PM

As said already, free up those hands.

Harness and a linemans strap make things alot easier.

Deepsouthdeerjunky 08-08-2011 06:19 PM

i did use a linemans belt while doing it... thing the problem was just the inexperience... i can look back now and see several different ways that it could have been easier. I think i may have it figured out for next time.. thanks for yalls help

HatchieLuvr 08-08-2011 07:02 PM

A lineman style belt is the only way to go. ESPECIALLY if you did like I did after about 10-15 years of HATING screw in steps and I just replaced all of the steps with hang on steps/skyladder types. That's when the lineman comes in handy once more, while making your way up and hanging those steps/ladders on. If you insist on the screw in steps then get the folding type that you can chuck into a chordless drill and screw quickly into the tree. With the above tools you can quickly and quietly hang a stand and be "hunt ready" in less than 10 minutes!

And while not a substitute, the linemans belt makes a better emergency safety belt than nothing at all. Lord the YEARS I spent with NO belt of anykind while hunting 20 and sometimes even OVER 30ft off the ground in one of my old hang on stands. :eek2: Eventually after about living to see 30 and being married with kids I realized I had more reasons than myself to wear a safety belt. (Now that I'm "fat and 40" I don't honestly even like leaving the ground unless it's in a ladder or shooting house! :s3: )

Good luck,
HL

GSPsnFORDs 08-08-2011 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mojotex (Post 3832116)
My $02. I set up 6-8 lock-ons every fall. Have for years. Here's what works for me.

I use a safety similar to a line-man's pole climbing D-Ring belt. Lets me climb using the ladder and/or steps with a reasonable degree of safety , and at the same time leaves both hands free when the work time comes.

I use a stick ladder where possible and screw-in step where not, or a combination there-of depending upon the form of the tree. Once I reach where I want the lock-on to be placed, I screw in a step about 2' above that level. I hang a simple single pulley/rope system that I made from a cheap pulley and 3/8" nylon braided rope on to that "step".

I climb back down and attach the lock-on to the rope and hoist it up to the approximate height of the stand location and tie it off. I then climb back up and attach the lock-on to the tree. The weight being supported by the pulley/rope system and having both hands free makes is a snap to strap the lock-on in place.

Once I have the lock-on secured in place, about 6" below my last step or ladder rung, I step off onto it and set up a safety rope that extends to ground level using 5/16" t 3/4" climbing rope. I also screw in a couple of steps well above, but in reach, from my last step for hand-holds. I can later use these to hang my pack or binos (whatever). I climb back down and call it good to go.

I use a 3-wrap Prussic knot to attach my safety harness to the safety rope. I stay attached to the Prussic until I get set up in the stand, then transfer my safety harness over to the tree. This might sound like over kill, but one slushy, sleeting day abut 20 years ago I slipped off a screw-in step and fell about 7'. Luckily I had no injury other than a badly scraped shin and a bruised hip. If that had happened near the top of that ladder, I could have fallen about 16' .... and I imagine that day would have had a much less lucky ending.

If you are not familiar with a Prussic it is simple to do. There are several You-Tube demos out there demonstrating how to tie and use this knot.

This is exactly what I do, minus the Prussic knot/safety line...but I have been wanting to do this as my hang-on locations. It's a good overall strategy and easy once you get the hang of it.

I used to hunt only from a climber but have since migrated back to fixed position stands the last couple of years...mostly due to a property change in which there are not many ideal trees/locations for a climber.

doetrain 08-09-2011 08:08 AM

I agree the screw in pegs are a pain,the best use I found for those was holding my rope in place while pulling my hang on up. The second one I hung I used the climbing sticks,what a breeze those are compared to the screw ins. The linemans belt hooked to my harness helped greatly and I felt very safe as well. The first took over an hour and a half to get done the second with the sticks 30 minutes max. Take care and be careful out there.

deerdust 08-09-2011 08:59 AM

Not that I have counted, but an estimated guess is that I have done over 1000 stand set-ups. Used to do it with screw in steps. They are a pain in the butt, and they are dangerous in the event of a fall. It is like dodging fishhooks on your way to the ground. It may sound funny, but it is the truth. Now the only thing I use is Climbing Sticks. (mostly Ol'Man or Rivers Edge)

Always wear a Safety Harness of some sort when during all process of hanging a stand. Use the waist belt during this process, not the safety strap you would use when hunting. Most new stands sold today will come with a harness. Tie a pull-up line to your stand, so when you get to the height you are comfortable with, you can pull up your stand. Or you can have it on your back using the backpack straps many come with, or fashion your own to the stand. You could use a screw in step to hang your stand where you want it on the tree, until you get it fastened securely. Old API stands came with a screw in for this purpose. North Star stands used to come with a hook on a strap that you put around the tree and hung the stand on so you could secure it more easily. There are also a variety of stick that are just sections attached to the tree, ie. Buck Steps, etc. These can also be very good for climbing most any tree, or using in conjuncture with other straight sticks. If you use these, just be sure to get the strap as tight as possible on the tree before you push the step down to tighten. If you don't do this type correctly, they can swap ends when you are climbing.

If you invest in climbing sticks, get the ones that have a double step. They are much easier to stand on as you will have both feet at the same level.

NJheadhunter71 08-09-2011 10:19 AM

You guys should try these stands
 
Not a plug but my own personal opinion. I have timed myself and others on speed as well as safety. They are not cheap but very very good stands. Put up multiple chains, carry one of their climbing sticks and you will have a whole new meaning to speed and safety when changing locations due to wind ect ect ect. and they are about as quite as it gets. Check them out

CHIPPEWA stands

Deepsouthdeerjunky 08-10-2011 10:46 AM

i was just curious if yall thought that getting a cheap pulley system would be worth the investment?? ive found a few online for less than 20 bucks and it seems like they would be useful in pulling up the stand to where you want it to be placed

Murdy 08-10-2011 01:06 PM

Check Amazon, I've seen block & tackles for under $10. Also, if you already have a gamrel system, you might be able to use the one of that.

deerdust 08-10-2011 01:32 PM

Like I said before, I have hung a ton of stands, compared to most folks and have always just backpacked them up or use a sturdy pull-up rope. I guess a pulley system could make it easier, but is just more time and gear to haul to the stand site. Stands now days aren't that heavy anyway. Not like some of the older steel stands, or the Blackwater Creek stands that didn't fold up. lol now those could be a pain.

If you're ever in the NE Missouri area give me a holler and I'll show ya how I do it. It will only take about 15 mins of your time.

deerdust 08-10-2011 01:35 PM

Also, like has been stated by numerous folks, the key to easy stand hanging is having both hands free to hang your stand. Always wear a harness of some sort with the waist strap attached.

cubfan56 08-10-2011 01:38 PM

how I do it!!
 
If you are fortunate to have tall pines like we have here on the shore........ the best way to hang a stand i found is I use my climber take it up to were I can stand ( with harness on) and hang my climber at the height that I want, all my stands are at least 20 foot. I used to use screw in steps and I would put them in on the way down. I now use climbing sticks.. I go down take climber off tree and raise my climbing stick and strap it as I climb!! best way!! I am getting to old to hang by one hand and try to mount a stand!! Also be sure you get your self a HSS safety system with the life line that slides up/down with prusic knot !!

Bucktail_Bob 08-10-2011 01:47 PM

We have used API stands, they use a T screw that screws into the tree first. Just make sue you are secure by using a linemenís type set up.
You just hoist the stand up by rope and rest it on the T screw. Then tighten it up. Never had a need for a pulley system.
Itís still a pain in the a$$. Ladder Stands are easier and safer to put up.
We have since retired the 12 lock on type stand set ups , and just use ladder stands. The deer don't care.

timbercruiser 08-10-2011 05:42 PM

An old hunting friend of mine used a portable drill to pre drill for screw in steps and hangers for hang on stands. Worked great for him.

GSPsnFORDs 08-10-2011 08:26 PM

A pulley would be good a idea. I usually just to get the height I want and pull the stand up (attach the rope to the stand before I climb). Sometimes I'll screw in an extra tree step above the location I intend to hang the stand. This gives you a tie off once you pull the stand up and it's above the stand location which should make it easier to hang the stand (while it's tied to the step). Then remove that step and use it for a gear hanger or remove it all together.

WNYhunter 08-12-2011 02:42 PM

Here is a hint for you guys, on the land I own and these are my trees. We drill a 5/8 hole into the tree and have 1/2 inch rebar cut to 7-8 inches. No more screwing in steps. Just drill your holes at a downward angle.

Deepsouthdeerjunky 08-12-2011 04:16 PM

well unfortunately where i hunt the trees are not OUR trees.... so we rele arent even suppose to put in the screw ins... the tree we used was so close to a creek they would never be able to cut it

madvilledoc 08-13-2011 05:24 AM

The easiest way I have found is using my climber in order to hang the stand. I use the climber to climb to the desired height, then pull the lock on up and hang it just above. My hands are free and I have the same freedom of movement as if I was standing on the ground.

On trees that I can't get my climber up, I'll use the lineman's belt like the others. But I much prefer using the climber. Much easier.

Okefenokee Knives 08-13-2011 10:48 AM

In addition to the safety harness and belt I always put a step level with the stand so I dont have to step up into the stand and I put a step above my head to give me something else to hang on to while climbing in to the stand. Buy good quality screw in steps the one that I bought that were made in USA go into trees easy, the chinese one are crap.

sconnyhunter 08-13-2011 12:19 PM

I have seen a lot of hunters suggest buying screw in steps in this an other threads. Whatever you choose to do.

Make sure it is legal.

Here in WI, on public lands, screw in steps are not legal. That doesn't stop some people from doing it anyway, but better safe than sorry.
The DNR here is very happy to ticket a hunter for using that style of step.

deerdust 08-13-2011 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by WNYhunter (Post 3833941)
Here is a hint for you guys, on the land I own and these are my trees. We drill a 5/8 hole into the tree and have 1/2 inch rebar cut to 7-8 inches. No more screwing in steps. Just drill your holes at a downward angle.

Sorry WNY, but I have to tell folks, as I already have about screw-in steps. Your idea may be the cheap way of making steps to your stand, but this is even more dangerous than screw-in steps. If any of you reading this thread have not seen what can happen when someone falls using screw-in steps, google it. You can find a ton of stories, and I have seen the results of a bad fall first hand. It is not a pretty sight. Even the most sure footed person can at some time fall. Even if you are using a climbing stick. The ground impact from a 20 foot fall will hurt you. But if you have something like nails or fishhooks sticking out of the tree to snag you on your way down, it can be devastating. Crippling you for life, if you are one of the lucky ones. Not trying to scare any of you, as I have used them in the past. But it didn't take me long to change my system, once I learned
how dangerous they can be.


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