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Old 11-24-2010, 07:11 AM
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Its not all about me at all,far to complicated to explain thats why I hate getting into these types of discussions.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
Its not all about me at all,far to complicated to explain thats why I hate getting into these types of discussions.
All I can say is in a town of only 90 I would think everyone knows everyone!
So either your ATTITUDE kept you out or the ATTITUDE of others before you NOT giving the landowner ANY respect for HIS property gave him a reason to NOT allow people on HIS land!!
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:19 AM
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I feel different about the natural resources if that makes any sense.I don't think money was ever intended do be involved in any of this but some liquored up man some how made it this way created all these crazy laws,if things wasn't the way they are there would not be a single hungry person in America we have enough fish and wild game to keep us all fed but everything got made to be so twisted and they pounded this into the peoples head until everyone believed there way was the right way so they fence off all the land and hang signs its truly sick and unjust,it is like a big monopoly game.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
i feel different about the natural resources if that makes any sense.i don't think money was ever intended do be involved in any of this but some liquored up man some how made it this way created all these crazy laws,if things wasn't the way they are there would not be a single hungry person in america we have enough fish and wild game to keep us all fed but everything got made to be so twisted and they pounded this into the peoples head until everyone believed there way was the right way so they fence off all the land and hang signs its truly sick and unjust,it is like a big monopoly game.
can you say socialist!!!!
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
I feel different about the natural resources if that makes any sense.I don't think money was ever intended do be involved in any of this but some liquored up man some how made it this way created all these crazy laws,if things wasn't the way they are there would not be a single hungry person in America we have enough fish and wild game to keep us all fed but everything got made to be so twisted and they pounded this into the peoples head until everyone believed there way was the right way so they fence off all the land and hang signs its truly sick and unjust,it is like a big monopoly game.
You'd look at it in a different light if it was you who had paid several 10's of thousands of dollars for land. But it seems that since you haven't, you don't like or respect property rights. Not good.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:35 AM
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I respect your rights but I have to respect my own rights at the same time.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
I respect your rights but I have to respect my own rights at the same time.

You have to right to step foot on someone else's private property.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
This here is the attitude of 98% of the land owners here in the state of Illinois thats why I wouldnt even bother asking I would have went in at dark and got the deer,I grew up here in a town of population 90 there is one family of farmers that own all the land for that surrounds this small town and the river runs on one side,I never trespassed on there land until I was about 13 I was fishing at the river which is owned by the state and one of these farmers said I couldn't be there,after that it was all a game for me I hunted there land for over 9 years with out ever getting caught,there was times I would be sitting on the ground deer hunting and one of there outfitters was less then 15 feet away from me picking white mushrooms off the trees never did see me I still look back and laugh about that today,I had a lot of good times,and don't regret it a bit,I wouldn't enter there yard or there home but the timber I would not hesitate I don't think anyone should have the rights to tell someone they can or cant use what god gave all of us,I was young and I wanted to hunt and they owned every tree in sight it was an easy decision for me and evidently someone up above was with me through all them years because I had some close calls where it seemed like there would be no way I could get out with out being seen,cant count the time people would almost be stepping on me but every time I made it.I am older now and don't do it anymore but as far as any regrets I don't hold any I had a lot of fun enjoying the natural world and I learned a lot.

Really only one word comes to mind for me to say to that. WOW.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
Its not all about me at all,far to complicated to explain thats why I hate getting into these types of discussions.
It's not complicated at all. You're trying (and failing) to justify breaking the law. Again, I might add (I recall a thread recently where you tried to justify poaching). You don't like the current system of land ownership, then fine. Move somewhere with collective land rights. Oh, that's right, we already have that. It's called public land. You're not special; join the crowd.

Originally Posted by blackhawk_archery
I respect your rights but I have to respect my own rights at the same time.
And the landowner has the right to prosecute you.

Seriously, it's people with your attitude that gives all hunters a bad reputation. This isn't the first thread where you've been on the wrong side of the ethical fence. I don't say this lightly (you're the first I've ever said it to), but do us all a favor and just quit hunting if this is the image you're going to use to represent the hunting community. Sounds to me like you're just another inconsiderate, self absorbed, disrespectful kid.

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Old 11-24-2010, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex G.
After reading all the responces to the original post I'm thinking I need to comment alittle more than just a +1 to Teresec.

A few of the responces to seabee77 were spot on. Get permission of the surrounding areas "prior to hunting the land". My hats off to those that responded that way.

For those that said, you tried, he's a jerk, go get it anyway, wait until dark. WOW, I really can't believe that these are responces coming from land owners and hunters! Next time your sitting there looking out your window at night and see a flashlight walking thru your woods, think about what you wrote and then think about your actions that will follow.

Ethical hunting does not only encompass treating others, the land and the animals with respect, but it also encompasses the way you plan for a hunt and the way you handle yourself during it. Prior planning makes for great bedfellows and touching bases with all the landowners "months" prior to the hunting season will either pay great dividends... or you will know where you should not hunt because you don't have permission to enter the land. Would you really want to take a chance on entering private land to retreive a dead or perhaps wounded deer when you dont know the land? I personally would not want to be on the receiving end of a silenced .22, a piano wire booby trap or a angry group of the landowners dogs in the middle of the night or in broad daylight for that matter.

Lets all do the right thing and tell the OP the correct answer.
Excellent post. Being a land owner and a hunter I can't believe some of the posts here disreguarding the land owner's rights. I pay taxes, insurance, and upkeep of my property and when you cross over onto my posted private property, you are disrepecting me and my family. I do think the land owner should have allowed you to retrieve the deer. I would have. If I would not, then such is life and that is my right. Better preparation and a better shot would have prevented this all together. I have hunted large game in Alaska for over twenty years and always take a neck shot. You will either kill the animal or miss completely. Never had one shot in the neck that didn't drop in it's tracks. Same with whitetail deer.
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