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Jeff, I dont want you to think I am against you in anyway for sticking up for yourself. But there have been a few people on here that have told you that you could have been nicer to the rancher and proved your point without being arrogant. I don't think you have listened to a single thing that the few people not cheering you on have said. They are just saying to show him respect, more respect than you would want in return. I know you had to defend yourself, but put yourself in his shoes. If you had lets say houses getting burnt down that you were building(since you said something about being a carpenter) and you see a person drive by that has gasoline and lighters in their truck. Would you not think that maybe they were lighting your houses on fire. Im guessing you would maybe be a little testy too if what you make your living on was getting destroyed. Also enough of being scared about getting charged or not. No one was charged and if your GPS records where you are at all times it would have never held up in court as long as you where never on his land. It seems like as soon as he accused you of trespassing you wanted to make him look stupid and act like you were a lot cooler than him because he is a stupid rancher that doesnt know his property lines. Again I am not trying to be against you, I just think you could have handled the whole thing in a more mature and respectful manner. You act like "the charges" you could have been charged with, were a matter of life or death. There is no way it would have held up in court as long as you werent on his land.
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3714949)
Take the higher road.LOL. This could gave led to me getting charged for an offence I didn't commit. This could have led to embarrasement and And you want me to take the higher road.I could have lost my vehical, my guns hunting license ,drivers licence lost money in tow bills and fines and possibly recieved jail time or community service hours. These allegations are serious not a joke. Do what you want, but I fight for myself and my family.I will die fighting for something I didn't do.
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Damn rights I wanted to make this lier look stupid.
End of story. I hate liers. Hate them! But I didn't do this to make me feel better about myself, I did it for Protection. He trumped up accusations who the hell knows what else he could of come up with. Maybe Lieing accusing me of being the one to shoot his cows.I know I could have got off but this is what could have happened if I didn't have proof of where I was.I understand what he is going through, totally allready mentioned this several times hope he catches the guys and they get charged to the full extent of the Law. I will not apologize to someone who outright lied and accussed me of a serios crime. This could have affected my lively hood not just his.He did wrong. I will appologize to him for actions that a few bad apples do when I am damn well good and ready to. Not now, Im not ready or in the mood to give one.The guy is out for blood and rightly so, but to ruin inocentent lives in the process is inexcusible.I know he did it to protected his property and his lively hood, but if that's what he wants to do, do it on his own property not on public soil. |
I understand that you were upset that this guy falsely accused you for trespassing, but it sure seems like you are taking this way too far. You make it seem like he was going to ruin your life, I doubt he would have even pressed charges. He is an old rancher who has worked hard his whole life and recently has had some unfortunate things happen to him. I for one would have explained to him calmy about it and been as friendly as possible. Sometimes people like that need to vent and after they tell everything to you, you both then have a better understanding of each other. Also he might realize your a nice guy(not some hot head that will get angry with him) and he might even say you could hunt his ground and keep watch over it so no more cows get killed. Just keep this in mind if you ever have another run in like this one.
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3715133)
Damn rights I wanted to make this lier look stupid.
End of story. I hate liers. Hate them! But I didn't do this to make me feel better about myself, I did it for Protection. He trumped up accusations who the hell knows what else he could of come up with. Maybe Lieing accusing me of being the one to shoot his cows.I know I could have got off but this is what could have happened if I didn't have proof of where I was.I understand what he is going through, totally allready mentioned this several times hope he catches the guys and they get charged to the full extent of the Law. I will not apologize to someone who outright lied and accussed me of a serios crime. This could have affected my lively hood not just his.He did wrong. I will appologize to him for actions that a few bad apples do when I am damn well good and ready to. Not now, Im not ready or in the mood to give one.The guy is out for blood and rightly so, but to ruin inocentent lives in the process is inexcusible.I know he did it to protected his property and his lively hood, but if that's what he wants to do, do it on his own property not on public soil. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3712023)
Went hunting this morn. Turned off toward a Lake Resort and wanted to drive into the back of this country to hunt on crown land.
Got way back there park my truck started working my way down the rim rock sage brush Coulies that over look this lake. Down at the bottem are ranching fields.Deer work their way up and down this slope all day. I always carry a GPS that traverses all area I walk.I had to get stuff hung up and Pumkins carved for Halloween this afternoon so I left at noon to be back home in time to get started.Anyways Im driving home and a truck Was coming towards me so I pulled over to chat. Well he's the owner of the Ranch fown below and asks me where I was hunting told him where I was. He then procedes to tell me it's private property and I had no right hunting. I look at him and said do I look stupid? Went to my truck grabbed my binder with all the land tiles and property that are held to the public private sector and leased.I said you don't own where I hunt. I didn't treespass your property to get there and said are you done yet?I told him I don't give a godamn crap where you think people should hunt. The fact is I am miles away from any major road or building Or structure,well within my legal bounds. You try stopping me from hunting this area it's your livelyhood going down not mine.You may pull this **** off with other guys but you ain't going to happen to me.The fact is your fields boarder crown land, and if you do anything to hinder me from hunting I will be the one doing the reporting and I showed him the British Columbia Provincial Regs that states Report anybody who prevents or blocks access to crown land.I told him if I see the ditched or posted it's your ass. Then I got in my truck told him to take my license plate of he had a concern but I'm leaving and I'm coming back in tomorrow.He drove off pissed. I drove off shaking my head. Some peoples mentality. |
When someone or accussed me of something,or outright just tells me Im on private land when I know I'm not. I feel threatened.
He lied bottem line. Once a lier always one.Who knows where this was gonna end.I wasn't about to find out. He had his reasons they are obvious, I pointed them out.I respect you totally for the critism your giving me. However Im not going to change my mind over this,I will fight it, I got defensive and as far as Im concerned I had every right to do so. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3715333)
When someone accussed me of something, I feel threatened.
He lied bottem line. Once a lier always one.Who knows where this was gonna end.I wasn't about to find out. He had his reasons they are obvious, I pointed them out.I respect you totally for the critism your giving me. However Im not going to change my mind over this,I will fight it, I got defensive and as far as Im concerned I had every right to do so. I repeat - good for you !!! :party0005: See my signature "tag line". BTW - I like ranchers (and most people) as a rule. |
Had something very similar happen to me.
Pulled up to the public ground I was hunting and there was someone that works for the farmer that owns ground that borders the public ground on two sides. And he is the largest land owner in the county we live in and is an ass to boot. Guy drives the tractor up and get off and says you are on private ground. I said no I am not. Then he says well this is a private drive and the old river is the access and again I say no I am not tresspassing so I get the maps and GPS out and show him that I was in fact on a numbered county road that was unimproved. He still keeps on at me so I look at him and say I'll tell you what you call you boss and the sheriff and I am going hunting and I will be out at around dark then we will go from there. He looked at me with a stupid look and said I will have to talk to my boss and I repeated what I was going to do and what he can do and really I was daring him to do because I knew I was right. It's the same old BS all the time with land owners like that. Alot of people don't know this which I guess is good for me but I just hate it when they try to keep even public ground private through lies!!! To OP yeah you where a little harsh but you have to stand up for your rights cause they will walk all over you if you let them. |
I am with you 100% on this, guy got what he deserved,he sure didn't deserve a pat on the back,rancher or not a rancher he still seemed like an arrogant f***er,maybe after being yelled at he will loose his poor attitude.
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had a guy like that around here and he didnt even own land he just leased he would stop you on the road going out of town if you was walking and ask where you thought you was going, finally a neighbor beat the piss out of him and he stopped that in a hurry.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3712023)
Went hunting this morn. Turned off toward a Lake Resort and wanted to drive into the back of this country to hunt on crown land.
Got way back there park my truck started working my way down the rim rock sage brush Coulies that over look this lake. Down at the bottem are ranching fields.Deer work their way up and down this slope all day. I always carry a GPS that traverses all area I walk.I had to get stuff hung up and Pumkins carved for Halloween this afternoon so I left at noon to be back home in time to get started.Anyways Im driving home and a truck Was coming towards me so I pulled over to chat. Well he's the owner of the Ranch fown below and asks me where I was hunting told him where I was. He then procedes to tell me it's private property and I had no right hunting. I look at him and said do I look stupid? Went to my truck grabbed my binder with all the land tiles and property that are held to the public private sector and leased.I said you don't own where I hunt. I didn't treespass your property to get there and said are you done yet?I told him I don't give a godamn crap where you think people should hunt. The fact is I am miles away from any major road or building Or structure,well within my legal bounds. You try stopping me from hunting this area it's your livelyhood going down not mine.You may pull this **** off with other guys but you ain't going to happen to me.The fact is your fields boarder crown land, and if you do anything to hinder me from hunting I will be the one doing the reporting and I showed him the British Columbia Provincial Regs that states Report anybody who prevents or blocks access to crown land.I told him if I see the ditched or posted it's your ass. Then I got in my truck told him to take my license plate of he had a concern but I'm leaving and I'm coming back in tomorrow.He drove off pissed. I drove off shaking my head. Some peoples mentality. dd |
Originally Posted by DoctorDeath
(Post 3715551)
DAYum Jeff I sure wish you would not mix words and just say what you REALLY mean LOL ....
dd and the best one. So far the best case is the one I said. Got me out of the fix that's for sure. That's what counts. When you deal with liars, you never know how far it will go or just what they will say and do and worst how the it will last .I don't trust liars so I nip it in the bud imediately.Its Protective instinct.I have so many mixed emotions that I feel still and it's been days. Normally I would have gotten over it in a minute. But the consequences could have been huge. I have no idea of his intentions, but he lied so I don't care.Anyways I am inteviewing this really hot gorgeous girl today at work as a fabricacator. She can put her skills to the test on Monday. I Hope she has a great background in everyway.Not just from behind. She is smart and willing so Im feeling better now.I haven't herd from you in a while buddy. How was your trip to Alta.Tell me.Hijack this one if you want or post another one of your Diaries. Still have that pic on my wall of your 2004 buck need another to complement it. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3715652)
Yeah I know.It just that I have run worst case scenarios through mind
and the best one. So far the best case is the one I said. Got me out of the fix that's for sure. That's what counts. When you deal with liars, you never know how far it will go or just what they will say and do and worst how the it will last .I don't trust liars so I nipit in the bud imediately.Its Protective instinct.I have so many e mixed emotions that I feel still and it's been days. Normally I would have gotten over it in a minute. But the consequences could have been huge. I have no idea his intentions, but he lied so I don't care. Anyways I inteviewing this really hot gorgeous girl today at work as a fabricacator. She can put her skills to the test on Monday. I hope She has A great background in everyway.LOL Im feeling better now. I haven't herd from you in a while buddy. How was your trip to Alta. Tell me.Hijack this one if you want or post another one o'd your Diaries. Still have that pic on my wall of your 2004 buck need another to complement it. dd |
Originally Posted by DoctorDeath
(Post 3715658)
Jeff sounds to me like you have every reason to be pissed ..I just moved up to Maryland and have not gotten a chance to hunt this year but maybe someone will invite the good Doctor soon.
dd me outta it,But next year I have to take this some of this time off crap and wouldn't mind using some of it for hunting.But if I can get some of you guys up here hunting I will.Like to meet people in person my wage is free. But yeah it eould be nice to meet people in person. |
Originally Posted by ADVWannabee
(Post 3712249)
I was hunting on a timber companys land that allowed hunting. A guy walked all the way up the hill to where I was sitting. He started to explain to me that he and his father had the land leased. It was my first time there, but I was pretty sure he was full of it. I didn't know this guy or what he might do but he was unarmed as far as I could tell. I shifte my rifle to where it was pointing a little closer to him but not at him and put my finger near the trigger but not on it. He got nervous and told me I could finish hunting that day. :D
Turned out he was lying and he and his dad had actually posted the land once to keep people away and the game warden made him take the signs down. As he walked down the hill away from you, you should have fired a round off in a nearby tree ( Not in His Direction) Just to put fun in his pants. |
Originally Posted by Waldo Hunter
(Post 3715056)
Jeff, I dont want you to think I am against you in anyway for sticking up for yourself. But there have been a few people on here that have told you that you could have been nicer to the rancher and proved your point without being arrogant. I don't think you have listened to a single thing that the few people not cheering you on have said. They are just saying to show him respect, more respect than you would want in return. I know you had to defend yourself, but put yourself in his shoes. If you had lets say houses getting burnt down that you were building(since you said something about being a carpenter) and you see a person drive by that has gasoline and lighters in their truck. Would you not think that maybe they were lighting your houses on fire. Im guessing you would maybe be a little testy too if what you make your living on was getting destroyed. Also enough of being scared about getting charged or not. No one was charged and if your GPS records where you are at all times it would have never held up in court as long as you where never on his land. It seems like as soon as he accused you of trespassing you wanted to make him look stupid and act like you were a lot cooler than him because he is a stupid rancher that doesnt know his property lines. Again I am not trying to be against you, I just think you could have handled the whole thing in a more mature and respectful manner. You act like "the charges" you could have been charged with, were a matter of life or death. There is no way it would have held up in court as long as you werent on his land.
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Originally Posted by ADVWannabee
(Post 3712249)
I was hunting on a timber companys land that allowed hunting. A guy walked all the way up the hill to where I was sitting. He started to explain to me that he and his father had the land leased. It was my first time there, but I was pretty sure he was full of it. I didn't know this guy or what he might do but he was unarmed as far as I could tell. I shifte my rifle to where it was pointing a little closer to him but not at him and put my finger near the trigger but not on it. He got nervous and told me I could finish hunting that day. :D
Turned out he was lying and he and his dad had actually posted the land once to keep people away and the game warden made him take the signs down. WOW really? Actions like this just and admitting to it on a public forum just put a bad taste in my mouth. Threatening gestures by pointing a loaded firearms alittle closer to him? And he was unarmed? I could almost justify what you did if this guy came up ranting and raving... waving around his rifle or handgun, but he didn't. Your really lucky he just didn't retreat to where he came from, retreave his rifle and leave a few well placed bullet holes "alittle closer to you but not at you". |
If your ok with liars fine back off and reward them.Let them do it to someone else and continue you with you. Cause it will happen again and could be much worse.I'm not one of those guys.I can tell you this much, he will never do that to me again, ever, and he will think twice before hes lies to another hunter.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3716112)
If your ok with liars fine back off and reward them.Let them do it to someone else and continue you with you. Cause it will happen again and could be much worse.I'm not one of those guys.I can tell you this much, he will never do that to me again, ever, and he will think twice before hes lies to another hunter.
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Originally Posted by Alex G.
(Post 3716029)
WOW really? Actions like this just and admitting to it on a public forum just put a bad taste in my mouth. Threatening gestures by pointing a loaded firearms alittle closer to him? And he was unarmed? I could almost justify what you did if this guy came up ranting and raving... waving around his rifle or handgun, but he didn't. Your really lucky he just didn't retreat to where he came from, retreave his rifle and leave a few well placed bullet holes "alittle closer to you but not at you".
When people lie expect to get called on it. How they react over being called on their own lie is up to the individuals on both sides..But I make them take resposibiltity over lies by making them look stupid. Cause they are trying to make me look stupid by falling for it and believing it. |
Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3716178)
He's damn lucky? Geezes this Rancher would be in a mental Institution if he did this over his own lie.LOL.
When people lie expect to get called on it. How they react over being called on their own lie is up to the individuals on both sides..But I make them take resposibiltity over lies by making them look stupid. Cause lieing is stupid. |
Originally Posted by Alex G.
(Post 3716138)
Jeff, Now your the one accusing the rancher of being a liar... perhaps he thought it was another ranchers land? From your post, all you said he said was that you were on private property and you shouldnt be hunting there. I didnt read, trespassing, I didnt read threatening to get you locked up, loosing your vehicle or any of that other stuff you said in a previous post. In my opinion, defend yourself all you want, but do it in a respectful way. Not as a arrogant as$ and totally fouling his taste towards hunters for all time.
It was confirmed.He lied about telling me I was on Private land and I lost it on him.How many times do I have to explain it.Reread all my posts it's down there somewhere.My brothers Friend who's a Lawyer found it out. |
Originally Posted by Alex G.
(Post 3716029)
WOW really? Actions like this just and admitting to it on a public forum just put a bad taste in my mouth. Threatening gestures by pointing a loaded firearms alittle closer to him? And he was unarmed? I could almost justify what you did if this guy came up ranting and raving... waving around his rifle or handgun, but he didn't. Your really lucky he just didn't retreat to where he came from, retreave his rifle and leave a few well placed bullet holes "alittle closer to you but not at you".
Quote: Originally Posted by Alex G.  WOW really? Actions like this just and admitting to it on a public forum just put a bad taste in my mouth. Threatening gestures by pointing a loaded firearms alittle closer to him? And he was unarmed? I could almost justify what you did if this guy came up ranting and raving... waving around his rifle or handgun, but he didn't. Your really lucky he just didn't retreat to where he came from, retreave his rifle and leave a few well placed bullet holes "alittle closer to you but not at you". He's damn lucky? Geezes this Rancher would be in a mental Institution if he did this over his own lie.LOL. When people lie expect to get called on it. How they react over being called on their own lie is up to the individuals on both sides..But I make them take resposibiltity over lies by making them look stupid. Cause they are trying to make me look stupid by falling for it and believing it. What the heck did this have to do with my post to ADVWannabee ???? Your da man Jeff... he lied, your right. you didnt over-react. Now please... get some sleep. |
Honestly,I wasn't looking or thinking just writing and assuming . Made me look quite stupid didn't it.
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Man. Stuff Like this is great! In opposite situation we have trespassers all the time, they tell us they thought they were in the stottard field(ajacent land.) There are 2 facts about trespssers 1: They All lie 2: They terrible at lying.
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Originally Posted by doall hunter
(Post 3716246)
Man. Stuff Like this is great! In opposite situation we have trespassers all the time, they tell us they thought they were in the stottard field(ajacent land.) There are 2 facts about trespssers 1: They All lie 2: They terrible at lying.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Ovington
(Post 3716267)
Yeah liars are the worst.I should have named this thread Runnin with a Liar. Not Ranchers. I have the upmost respect for these hardworking people.I really do. Hey, I know tresspassers lie. They look really stupid I have no sympathy for what happens to them.
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I understand that Jeff tells it how it is. I respet honesty in a man, but there are much better ways to talk about a bad run in you had with a guy. It's kinda like you are trying to brag about proving that Rancher wrong, and your a bad@$$ for doing that. Jeff, I know you wont ever say you handled this wrong because it seems you have a little too much pride, but I think you need to take time and think about your actions before you blow up on someone. I know he is a "liar", but put yourself in his shoes and you would probably "lie" also to protect your cattle and land. Just please take this last part into consideration before your next incident. Become the mans friend by being a nice guy who is mature and understands how to respect another human being as well as thier property. This could make you a life-long friend who will allow you to hunt his ground as long as you help him out some by watching out for his cattle. Now on the other hand you could blow up on them again and try to make them look like an idiot, then you get exactly what you have now, a rancher who owns ground by where you hunt, he doesn't like you, he actually probably despises you, so now you have gained absolutely nothing except a small boost in your ego. Just think about for a bit, might help better you as a person.
P.S. I know you will probably want to come back with a comment about how he was threatening your life and he could have charged you with anything. Don't give me this again, it was not that serious, you just let it get out of hand. |
Originally Posted by Alex G.
(Post 3716029)
WOW really? Actions like this just and admitting to it on a public forum just put a bad taste in my mouth. Threatening gestures by pointing a loaded firearms alittle closer to him? And he was unarmed? I could almost justify what you did if this guy came up ranting and raving... waving around his rifle or handgun, but he didn't. Your really lucky he just didn't retreat to where he came from, retreave his rifle and leave a few well placed bullet holes "alittle closer to you but not at you".
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