Ladder Stands on Public Land
02-03-2010, 03:23 PM
#11
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 234
I've got a different take on this than most of you.
Some slob is reserving public property for his own use. They probably put the stand where it is because it is a good spot. Who knows when or if they will ever return yet all hunters are supposed to stay away?
If I found a stand where I wanted to hunt I'd be pissed if there was no one in it. If it was a place that I really wanted to hunt I might hunt there anyway, either in my own stand or on the ground. If the owner were to come in I would ask HIM to move, public land is first come first serve.
If the stand were there for an extended period of time I might even assist the state in removing abandoned illegal liter from the state's property.
Some slob is reserving public property for his own use. They probably put the stand where it is because it is a good spot. Who knows when or if they will ever return yet all hunters are supposed to stay away?
If I found a stand where I wanted to hunt I'd be pissed if there was no one in it. If it was a place that I really wanted to hunt I might hunt there anyway, either in my own stand or on the ground. If the owner were to come in I would ask HIM to move, public land is first come first serve.
If the stand were there for an extended period of time I might even assist the state in removing abandoned illegal liter from the state's property.
02-03-2010, 03:27 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by homers brother
So, if the owner of the stand found your ATV parked and decided to take a ride, how would you feel about that? Oh, they'd give it back when they found out it was yours, ...
02-03-2010, 04:47 PM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 6,575
Hey if I can cruise on his atv to his stand, why not? haha, really helps make it easy...
But I agree, it's different everywhere, but some areas let you leave stands up for an entire season, and some guys never take them down at the end of the season, so these stands can be left for years...
Then on top of it ya, say a guy is hunting a week gun season, but the stand is left in place during 3 months of bow hunting...
Really if you're going ot be hunting public land, and leaving your stand out for months at a time and don't want guys to be using your stand, better get a climber, and haul it in and out every time you use it!
But I agree, it's different everywhere, but some areas let you leave stands up for an entire season, and some guys never take them down at the end of the season, so these stands can be left for years...
Then on top of it ya, say a guy is hunting a week gun season, but the stand is left in place during 3 months of bow hunting...
Really if you're going ot be hunting public land, and leaving your stand out for months at a time and don't want guys to be using your stand, better get a climber, and haul it in and out every time you use it!
02-03-2010, 05:09 PM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Darien, IL
Posts: 6,744
Let's real this one in a bit guys.
Few things here. Some PL allows stands (even ladders) to be left overnight or for a certain season. The poster dodn't specify where he was or if this was allowed so without that info we cannot assume anyone is a slob or breaking a law.
And a ladder stand is not a permanent stand. Permanent is something attached to a tree with something other than a strap, rope or chain (IMO).
Would I use it? Well if I had been in there a couple days and saw someone not using it I might. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Fastetti made some great points. I will add this one. If I come to a creek and someone has dropped a large heavy plank over it as a bridge.........can I use the bridge? Or should I have to wade?
But from what the original poster did state about the ladder stand there is no way in h-e-double hockey sticks I would shove a boulder under the bottom and climb up!
Few things here. Some PL allows stands (even ladders) to be left overnight or for a certain season. The poster dodn't specify where he was or if this was allowed so without that info we cannot assume anyone is a slob or breaking a law.
And a ladder stand is not a permanent stand. Permanent is something attached to a tree with something other than a strap, rope or chain (IMO).
Would I use it? Well if I had been in there a couple days and saw someone not using it I might. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Fastetti made some great points. I will add this one. If I come to a creek and someone has dropped a large heavy plank over it as a bridge.........can I use the bridge? Or should I have to wade?
But from what the original poster did state about the ladder stand there is no way in h-e-double hockey sticks I would shove a boulder under the bottom and climb up!
02-03-2010, 06:36 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WY
Posts: 2,054
Guys,
I can see where this is going already. We don't apparently have much respect for the property of others, and apparently feel we have some sort of personal jurisdiction or license to disturb or use someone's property without their permission.
If you have a problem with the said "offending" tree stand, take it up with your appropriate law enforcement agency. If it's legal to place it the way it has been, deal with the suck.
And for those of you who think it's so justifiable to use the stand, I'd be interested in how you'd respond to someone when you're discovered - who's probably not going to be very happy that you're using it? I'd be embarrassed beyond words. How many of you would argue with the owner that they were in the wrong by placing it on public land? And that your use is thereby justified?
It doesn't matter that your ATV is worth $8K and some poor schmuck's $100 is just pocket change ... to you? What kind of arrogance is that? The difference between a misdemeanor and a felony, possibly - but in both cases, nonetheless illegal.
Character is who you are when no one is watching.
I can see where this is going already. We don't apparently have much respect for the property of others, and apparently feel we have some sort of personal jurisdiction or license to disturb or use someone's property without their permission.
If you have a problem with the said "offending" tree stand, take it up with your appropriate law enforcement agency. If it's legal to place it the way it has been, deal with the suck.
And for those of you who think it's so justifiable to use the stand, I'd be interested in how you'd respond to someone when you're discovered - who's probably not going to be very happy that you're using it? I'd be embarrassed beyond words. How many of you would argue with the owner that they were in the wrong by placing it on public land? And that your use is thereby justified?
It doesn't matter that your ATV is worth $8K and some poor schmuck's $100 is just pocket change ... to you? What kind of arrogance is that? The difference between a misdemeanor and a felony, possibly - but in both cases, nonetheless illegal.
Character is who you are when no one is watching.
02-04-2010, 04:24 AM
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: defiance,ohio
Posts: 557
you asked if it was ethical to use it - to put it simply - NO! it's not yours - would you want someone you don't know using your stuff? i doubt it. also he removed the bottom part of it so no one could use it without some difficulty so he obviously doesn't want anyone to use it. there would be alot less gripping and problems if we as hunters would show more respect!!!!!!!
02-04-2010, 04:29 AM
#17
Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Trumbull County, Ohio
Posts: 9,153
Homers got character! Woot Woot!.
IMO If I found a stand on public land like that I would use it. I have. And I have had someone walk up on me. The first time it happened he had his boy with him, and I apologized and stated the law just so he would know. The next time I had taken my climber back and set up right next to his ladder, I told him I wasn't moving because this is public land, first come first serve. 2 seasons later his stand is rotting away in the tree. PPl occasionally use it, but Ive never seen him back.
-Jake
IMO If I found a stand on public land like that I would use it. I have. And I have had someone walk up on me. The first time it happened he had his boy with him, and I apologized and stated the law just so he would know. The next time I had taken my climber back and set up right next to his ladder, I told him I wasn't moving because this is public land, first come first serve. 2 seasons later his stand is rotting away in the tree. PPl occasionally use it, but Ive never seen him back.
-Jake
02-04-2010, 04:53 AM
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Swanton Ohio
Posts: 129
I agree with HOMERS BROTHER I would never use a stand that is not mine! not your property so stay off!!! public land or not have some respect. If it bothers you call DNR and request it taken down. If I was in the stand and it was not mine I would feell like a total jack*&^ if that hunter came in. If you want to hunt that spot put your own stand right next to it then, ONE THAT YOU BOUGHT!!!
