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dpj1030 01-21-2010 05:07 PM

Is It possible
 
For a fawn that was born in the spring/summer of 2009 to be bread during the rut that same year?

timbercruiser 01-21-2010 05:24 PM

I read one time that a doe fawn, in good health, with plenty of nutrition can breed before they are 8 months old. Should be able to google it up..

Remnard 01-21-2010 05:32 PM

possible, yes. Probable, rare. in areas with heavily skewed buck:doe ratios, where a young of the year has come in to estrus late in the season.

Robert L E 01-21-2010 06:03 PM

Here in Iowa a doe fawn will normally breed if her mother was an mature deer. Fawns usually breed later (2nd rut) so the fawns that they give birth to are born (usually) a month after the mother's first birthday.

Since a fawn usually breeds late, the fawn that it has may be too young or too small in its first fall. A fawn of a fawn is less likely to breed.

Fawns in Iowa usually also have only one fawn themselves, whereas mature does usually have twins or triplets.

teedub31 01-22-2010 04:07 AM

It has been my experience that a doe that is bred in theearliest stages of rut will birth her fawns at an earlier date (common sense, I know). This earlier in the year birth will give a female fawn enough time to develop so that it is possible that she can be bred in the "2nd rut". Typically, if she is bred, she will only have one fawn in the spring and due to the late birth, that fawn will not breed in the following rut season. Just my anecdotal experiences.

teedub31 01-22-2010 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by Robert L E (Post 3560327)
Here in Iowa a doe fawn will normally breed if her mother was an mature deer. Fawns usually breed later (2nd rut) so the fawns that they give birth to are born (usually) a month after the mother's first birthday.

Since a fawn usually breeds late, the fawn that it has may be too young or too small in its first fall. A fawn of a fawn is less likely to breed.

Fawns in Iowa usually also have only one fawn themselves, whereas mature does usually have twins or triplets.


I should have read you post prior to typing mine as it basically says the exact same thing!!:biggrin:

bowfly 01-22-2010 08:01 AM

i have heard that it is possible

Jimmy S 01-22-2010 09:01 AM

Unlike buck fawns, it is my understanding that a doe fawn will be sexually mature during her first mating season.

As mentioned, a young doe will usually have only one fawn while a mature doe will have two and sometimes three.

GregH 01-23-2010 04:38 AM

Not only is it possible, it happens a lot.

Remnard 01-24-2010 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by GregH (Post 3561180)
Not only is it possible, it happens a lot.

really? what data do you have that shows that? I would like to read it.

White-tail-deer 01-24-2010 05:15 AM

I have seen, in January, a very small doe with several buck in toe. One instance was two years ago I was driving near my home and spotted a buck in a power line. I turned around to look at it and saw a total of 7 buck all trying to work this small doe. She had to be less than 100 lbs. She was just standing there while all these buck were lurking. It was as if she knew if she moved an inch they would all dog her again. I think fawn doe get bread more than you think. JMO.

White-tail-deer 01-24-2010 05:31 AM

Here is some info I googled:

http://www.deerandforests.org/resour...uly%202009.pdf

http://bozw00d.tripod.com/id66.htm


Breeding in doe fawns is dependent upon their physical condition. Large doe fawns may breed when only six to nine months old, generally bearing a single fawn. Doe fawns that have not reached physical maturity in their first year will wait until 16 to 19 months old. Weather, growing season, range conditions, and heredity all play a role in the breeding scheme. The number of fawns and yearling does breeding may vary tremendously in the same population from year to year, which is important for the wildlife manager and hunter to understand for proper herd management.

stabnslab_WI 01-24-2010 06:32 AM

Happens a lot (I think)....I have found one doe fawn in the middle of an open field dead gored by a buck. The moring I found it, I had hunted that field the night before and seen heavy rutting activity and bucks chasing off fawns. Weeks after that I had seen a doe fawn with her hair on her back shredded. Assuming from a buck breeding her because of the Horizontal marks. I think it happens in area's where the buck to doe ratio is about right. The rut is a little more intense due to supply and demand

GregH 01-25-2010 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by Remnard (Post 3561710)
really? what data do you have that shows that? I would like to read it.

The only data that I have that you can read would be my log book entries. I have, for over 12 years, witnessed mature bucks tending fawns during the 2nd week of Dec and again the 1st week of Jan. Saw one get bred. This occurred in Southern Wi and northern Ill. Breeding can also take place later than Jan as evidenced by super late born fawns. A couple of times I've seen tiny fawns with spots that weren't but a couple weeks old that were spotted during the 3rd week of Sept. Back track about 210 days to find date of conception.

Back in the late '80's or early '90's, I read and article in D & D Hunting by Ozunga or Alsheimer that stated that up to 95% of fawns born in milder climates would breed during their first year ( before they were 1 year old). I didn't save the article.

Bob S 01-31-2010 08:50 AM

Doe fawns typically are capable of being bred when they reach a body weight of about 80 pounds.

J Pike 01-31-2010 08:58 AM

Yep like Bob said female fawns will come in to estrous when they reach a body weight of 76-80 lbs. It is also a very good sign that you have a healthy herd and has nothing to do with an out of whack buck to doe ratio etc. Pike


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