"That's not hunting"
#41
When you condition deer year round with any food source manually created...you aclimate them to human presence and scent. They no longer assoctiate people with danger TO THE EXTENT that a truely WILD deer does. Yes a deer over bait will run at movement BUT a wild deer will run just whiffing human scent left by your boot walking in.
It's a different LEVEL of hunting. From Easy -Shooting a pen raised animal on HIGH FENCE to Moderate Ag Land where farming activity aclimate animals to VERY HARD- Free Ranging PUBLIC Land w/o food plots or improvements aka mountain terrain
The SKILL required at each level is dramatically different.
If it is legal, hunt your skill level. A P&Y harvested animal is a higher achievement level than aSCI harvested animal. Pope and Young is being vilafied for not LETTING EVERYONE IN with a 125 scored animal.
Last edited by Grizzl; 12-22-2009 at 03:07 PM.
#42
Thanks for the clarification. But this seems a bit contradictory to me from what you just said:
Now are you saying that whatever you want to do is fine, though it might not be your bag? So for you, you'd hunt over food plots but not take a deer at 200 yards, correct? You're saying that hunting is self-defined, as long as it's legal.
Now, as for the law, well...let's just say that I don't look to the law as my moral compass.
Now are you saying that whatever you want to do is fine, though it might not be your bag? So for you, you'd hunt over food plots but not take a deer at 200 yards, correct? You're saying that hunting is self-defined, as long as it's legal.
Now, as for the law, well...let's just say that I don't look to the law as my moral compass.
I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I don't believe in alot of "legal" hunting practices, but as long as it's legal have your way. I won't get on anyones case for not thinking the way I do.
#43
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 82
Reply to That's not hunting
To the gentleman who asks is piling acorns up in front of your stand baiting, yes it is, in nearly every state where baiting is illegal.
Look, I don't pretend to understand where the regulators come up with their ideas on what is allowed and what is not, but it is very important to hunt by the rules and regulations. To do so otherwise is disrespectful to your fellow hunters.
I personally don't disapprove of those who hunt over food plots. My personal ambition is to study a wild area, learn its advantages and disadvantages, and hunt it appropriately. That's just the way I hunt. With over 40 deer under my belt I can tell you that it is successful.
Wildbill51
Look, I don't pretend to understand where the regulators come up with their ideas on what is allowed and what is not, but it is very important to hunt by the rules and regulations. To do so otherwise is disrespectful to your fellow hunters.
I personally don't disapprove of those who hunt over food plots. My personal ambition is to study a wild area, learn its advantages and disadvantages, and hunt it appropriately. That's just the way I hunt. With over 40 deer under my belt I can tell you that it is successful.
Wildbill51
#44
Where do I sound like I want a pissing match? Clearly I was just trying to get clarification on your thoughts (which is why I said what I said...for clarification), as they were a bit muddled.
#45
Feeders, food plots and cutover crops! Theres no difference! By the letter of law, natural food sources is different! Some properties don't have ample "natural" food sources, and in some places "crops" are planted with game hunting in mind. Its just bigger than a "food plot!" The same arguments can be had about camo, guns, bows, stands, calls and well, the list can go on forever!
Some folks just have to pump up their egos by putting others down! I say hunt up to the legal limits of your area and don't give a flying flip about what others think! After all, its just their opinion and opinions are like arse holes! Everyone has one, some just bigger than others!
Some folks just have to pump up their egos by putting others down! I say hunt up to the legal limits of your area and don't give a flying flip about what others think! After all, its just their opinion and opinions are like arse holes! Everyone has one, some just bigger than others!
#46
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Abington Mass
Posts: 158
Hunting oak trees when they're dropping acorns is absolutely the same thing as hunting a food plot. Whether it's natural or not is irrelevant. You're only hunting there because there's food there. Same as the food plot hunter.
With that being said, I hunt both. And more often than not I don't see any deer there during daylight hours.
With that being said, I hunt both. And more often than not I don't see any deer there during daylight hours.
#48
You all have it just plain wrong. You're not hunting unless you're chasing the deer through knee high prairie grass wearing nothing but a loin cloth and carrying a sharpened stick. All you people out there wearing all your fancy clothes with projectile weapons you didn't make without the use of tools, able to shoot over 10 yards, are ruining hunting for us REAL hunters!
This whole discussion makes me want to go shoot a deer at 201 yards over bait and under an oak tree. And I'm gonna use a 223 Rem and take a neck shot, too. Just wait until I post pictures to really pi$$ everybody off!
As for bait, if you want to use it, fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm a cheapskate, so I'd rather just go find an oak tree or a corn field next to a deer trail and take my chances.
Mike
This whole discussion makes me want to go shoot a deer at 201 yards over bait and under an oak tree. And I'm gonna use a 223 Rem and take a neck shot, too. Just wait until I post pictures to really pi$$ everybody off!
As for bait, if you want to use it, fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm a cheapskate, so I'd rather just go find an oak tree or a corn field next to a deer trail and take my chances.
Mike
#49
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 2,178
I hunt over or close to Food Plots that I've planted for the Deer,Turkey,Quail and other Wildlife in our area and those food plots are not just for Deer Season but for the Wildlife to survive on throughout the year,I also Hunt in the big timber if I'm hunting for a nice Buck like I have been doing for over 30 years.I have taken the easy route and waited til a deer stepped out into our food plot after sitting in the freezing weather and rain for hours...its still called "Hunting" and I'll continue to do that until our Game Laws change here in Missouri.I take my 2 Daughters out and teach them how to hunt,they can learn some of the easier ways to hunt or they can learn how to hunt for a big Buck by sitting in the woods.I don't always agree with some of the hunting techniques I see on the TV Hunting Shows and in other States but if their Laws allow putting corn out and other grains then thats what the People of that State have decided on.Personally I enjoy being outdoors in the woods and if I get to harvest/shoot an animal then so be it...if I don't I'm happy to be outside enjoying Mother Nature.Some times we put too much value on someone shooting a Big Buck and not much concern on seeing a Young Hunter thrilled to get His or Her first Doe.
I found an Arrowhead on our Farm a few years ago...all I could think of was how hard the Indians had it and they still survived and shot Game with a simple Bow and Arrow and here I am with all this new modern gear and a Compound Bow and I can tell You...its Tough getting a Deer with Archery Equipment!!
I found an Arrowhead on our Farm a few years ago...all I could think of was how hard the Indians had it and they still survived and shot Game with a simple Bow and Arrow and here I am with all this new modern gear and a Compound Bow and I can tell You...its Tough getting a Deer with Archery Equipment!!
#50
It cracks me up the number of people that actually think there is some magically seed you can plant and all of sudden a little plot is just packed with deer! LOL!
To bad real life didnt't look like a Drury video! LOL!
To bad real life didnt't look like a Drury video! LOL!