Ethics question
12-11-2009, 07:37 AM
#62
Fork Horn
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Location: S.Illinois
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I checked also and I geuss they have changed it! Good to know,but most land owners I know wouldn't have a problem with you retreiving and would most likely even help,but you always got to have one in the bunch that will be an a-hole!
12-11-2009, 07:47 AM
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12-11-2009, 08:21 AM
#64
Nontypical Buck
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Location: NE Kansas
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I asked you a simple question first fork. I know the most likely answer. If you want respect, you got to give it. It works both ways.
In the interest of cordiality, the answer is that nobody knows what they would have done--David's anointed as the future king, and not a beggar, and that might mean he was treated differently. What they OUGHT to do is obvious and that's give the showbread to the starving man on the basis that it's about human need.
That underlying principle is certainly relevant to the question of pursuing game on to another's land. Law exists to meet human need. The problem here is that the hunter isn't the authority empowered to make the decision in that particular community, and if he takes that action on his own, it damages society's attempt to create needed security, order, protect property, etc. If we arbitrarily pursue against the wishes of the law, we create a situation that potentially allows any kind of trespassing. All one has to do is say they're pursuing wounded game. However a state or community decides, it's very important to do it as they say.
The person not allowing the pursuit sounds like an ordinary (if obnoxious) landowner, but he may have very valid reasons for not allowing pursuit. I'll give you a real example of another situation: I hunt an area that borders a juvenile detention facility. A hunter chasing wounded deer onto property like that is causing a big problem for security. Same for someone pursuing wounded game onto land bordering a power plant or some other such facility.
Again, pursuit at minimum needs to be done in the way the community says to do it. The common good is what's at stake.
12-11-2009, 08:56 AM
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In the interest of cordiality, the answer is that nobody knows what they would have done--David's anointed as the future king, and not a beggar, and that might mean he was treated differently. What they OUGHT to do is obvious and that's give the showbread to the starving man on the basis that it's about human need.
That underlying principle is certainly relevant to the question of pursuing game on to another's land. Law exists to meet human need. The problem here is that the hunter isn't the authority empowered to make the decision in that particular community, and if he takes that action on his own, it damages society's attempt to create needed security, order, protect property, etc. If we arbitrarily pursue against the wishes of the law, we create a situation that potentially allows any kind of trespassing. All one has to do is say they're pursuing wounded game. However a state or community decides, it's very important to do it as they say. .
The person not allowing the pursuit sounds like an ordinary (if obnoxious) landowner, but he may have very valid reasons for not allowing pursuit. I'll give you a real example of another situation: I hunt an area that borders a juvenile detention facility. A hunter chasing wounded deer onto property like that is causing a big problem for security. Same for someone pursuing wounded game onto land bordering a power plant or some other such facility.
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I was tracking a gut shot doe 4 years ago and called an old man who owned the land via cell phone. He acted like I was silly for asking him if I could track it. Said he wished I would kill em all to quit eating his corn. But that call got me access to hunting his land with permit in hand.
Last edited by bigcountry; 12-11-2009 at 09:00 AM.
12-11-2009, 12:50 PM
#68
Nontypical Buck
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o.k. I'll bite.
A pirate walks in a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants.
The bartender says "Hey, do you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?"
The pirate looks at him and says "Arrrr, yeah and it's driving me nuts!". Get it?
The joke is best told on national talk like a pirate day!
A pirate walks in a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants.
The bartender says "Hey, do you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?"
The pirate looks at him and says "Arrrr, yeah and it's driving me nuts!". Get it?
The joke is best told on national talk like a pirate day!
12-11-2009, 01:33 PM
#69
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o.k. I'll bite.
A pirate walks in a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants.
The bartender says "Hey, do you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?"
The pirate looks at him and says "Arrrr, yeah and it's driving me nuts!". Get it?
The joke is best told on national talk like a pirate day!
A pirate walks in a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants.
The bartender says "Hey, do you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?"
The pirate looks at him and says "Arrrr, yeah and it's driving me nuts!". Get it?
The joke is best told on national talk like a pirate day!
12-11-2009, 02:24 PM
#70
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Minnesota
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Why would you be curious? He addresses himself as father. Kinda a dead giveaway. Second, he tells me I quote
"Some serious biblical sholarship on this passage would benefit you"
And then "What I am is someone whose occupation requires him to be knowledgeable of what experts are saying "
I am not sure about your neck of the woods snipe, but its 100% clear in mine. For someone to recongize the need for biblical scholarship, well they would have to assume they are. I sure didn't take it negatively. I am sure he is a believer in Christ. He beleives a certain level of intelligence in himself, and I believe what the Word of God says to me. No, I am not a bible scholar as he. I bet catholics worst nightmare was when Martin Luther translated the bible to something ordinary man could read. I can't and don't recommend anyone go off what another man says, no matter if its Billy Graham or the pope. We got the book, just read it. Meditate on it, hear God's word. And we are going to be wrong a few times. Or most of the time. We got grace. Everybody has an individual walk with Christ. Fork can't expect me to be on the exact walk he is on and neither can I expect him too. This is not a put down for fork by the way. The man I am sure is well learned in what scholars say. Much more than I will ever be.
Paul puts wisdom in perspective for us in 1 Corinthians 1. Remember the Pharasees were the most educated at the time. Scholars abound. Just sayin.
But I agree with other posters. Its getting to the point where this conversation does not belong in this post.
"Some serious biblical sholarship on this passage would benefit you"
And then "What I am is someone whose occupation requires him to be knowledgeable of what experts are saying "
I am not sure about your neck of the woods snipe, but its 100% clear in mine. For someone to recongize the need for biblical scholarship, well they would have to assume they are. I sure didn't take it negatively. I am sure he is a believer in Christ. He beleives a certain level of intelligence in himself, and I believe what the Word of God says to me. No, I am not a bible scholar as he. I bet catholics worst nightmare was when Martin Luther translated the bible to something ordinary man could read. I can't and don't recommend anyone go off what another man says, no matter if its Billy Graham or the pope. We got the book, just read it. Meditate on it, hear God's word. And we are going to be wrong a few times. Or most of the time. We got grace. Everybody has an individual walk with Christ. Fork can't expect me to be on the exact walk he is on and neither can I expect him too. This is not a put down for fork by the way. The man I am sure is well learned in what scholars say. Much more than I will ever be.
Paul puts wisdom in perspective for us in 1 Corinthians 1. Remember the Pharasees were the most educated at the time. Scholars abound. Just sayin.
But I agree with other posters. Its getting to the point where this conversation does not belong in this post.
Some people are masters at coming up with stuff or interpreting things that are nothing close to what was actually said and I thought maybe you were doing something similar. Your reply here doesn't get me to think that.
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