Adjusting Iron Sights
 

I have a 20 gauge Remmington 11-87 w/a fully rifled remmington barrel. Some buddys and I were debating on which way too move the sight for adjustment....Since my gun was fairly close I didnt mess with it . When I was searching I came across some info which was talking about front/rear site which confused might I say...lol

So here it goes.....My gun has a fixed bead on the end of the barrel.....My gun has a slider/left/right adjustment on the front of the barrel closest too your eye.

1...So for instance if im 3" too the left (off target) do I move my sight too the right?

2. So for instance im 3" Low (of target) Do I move my sight (Slider) up?


Thanks IA

1.) Yes
2.) Yes

iSnipe

i agree with snipe

Good, because I was just guessing. LOL!

iSnipe

thanks i didnt think i was losing my touch butt my buddy did the opposte way and was hitting closer...lol whatever works

Sometimes it helps to get a stick or actually take out your gun. Grab the gun and look down the barrel and over-emphasize the movement necessary on the sight for the adjustment to take place. This helps and reminds me how the sights work. I had to think about it again myself. LOL!

iSnipe

ha ha it makes yah wonder lol

Front sight - chases the POI
Rear sight - moves away from the POI

On the back sight, move the sight in the direction you want to move the point of impact. Opposite on the front sight.

Don't the last 2 replies contradict each other?

Now I'm doubting my own thoughts. LOL!

I'll go at this again. Let me think...

...Hmm?

Here is my decision: If using iron sights, and bullet is impacting 3" to the left of bullseye, the back sight needs to move towards where the bullet was hitting! This is OPPOSITE of what I said last! LOL!

I'm fixin' to get out my .22 and check it! Guess I'm telling on myself here. It's been awhile since I sighted in one of my .22's that has iron sights and been 15 years since I had a 94 Winchester with open sights!

I'm almost certain you move the rear sight to the LEFT... where the bullet was hitting.

Final ruling. LOL!

iSnipe

You move the rear sight the direction you want the bullet to go. Make an index mark first, so you know where you started. Move it only smidges at a time, and if you start flinching, stop. You wont accomplish anything.

I agree. Move rear sight in the direction you want the bullet to go and front sight opposite to the direction you want the bullet to go. Front sight is for east west adjustments and rear is for north south.

try usin your fingers, one fer rear sight..and one for front sight...line them up in a straight shot....now imagine the point of impact is 2" to the left of your target..now move the rear sight to line up...it did go opposite the way right? yall quit tryin to confuse people..

the rear sight..iron sights...moves opposite of direction needed...if i am wrong plz enlighten me

Wow this is turning into a good debate 1/2 says one way the other 1/2 the other way.

Now when were talking Front/rear site:

1.Front site= tip of the Gun?

2.Rear site= Closest too your eye?

3. Front/Rear= Closest too your eye w/
Front being= East/West
Rear being= North/South


My answer Ill go with answer #1 and #2 and this is what I learned so far and can I get everybody too agree with me..lol....

POA= Point of Aim


1)Bullet hits ABOVE POA..... Move REAR sight DOWN

2)Bullet hits BELOW POA.... Move REAR sight UP

3)Bullet hits RIGHT of POA... Move REAR sight LEFT

4)Bullet hits LEFT of POA... Move REAR sight RIGHT




****If this isnt rite Im CONFUSED....LOL****




HELP!!

just the rear, closest to your eye, sight moves right?

North/South
East/West

your good!!!

Any other input would be appreciated...check back tonite thanks IA

To simplify the confusion, here is the manual in pdf form for a random firearm, the S&W model 41. Pg 23 has adjustment info, including which direction moves it which. Probably people will argue, but the principle for adjusting a handguns sights are exactly the same as for a rifles sights.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore...r/Model_41.pdf
In boil down form, move the rear sight the direction you want the bullet to go.

It's not rocket science. The rear site is a blade, it is probably on a ramp like my 870. There is no need to move the front site with these type of sites. If you are shooting left of the bull, you move the rear leaf to the right, this causes you to move the muzzle more to the right to align the front and rear when you take a shot. If you are shooting low move the rear leaf up, this causes you to move your muzzle up to align your sites when you take a shot.
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Come on people, it's not rocket science. Like the pdf owner's manual said "Moving rear sight to the right will move the group to the right, etc."
I think the confusion was, he called the rear sight "front".

exactly !!!!

I think a little confusion comes from the 2 sight issue. Some older guns had fixed rear and dovetail front for adjustments. Some rear sights on a ramp don't adjust sideways (my term east west). The up down could be adjusted using the rear on a ramp and the sideways adjustment could be made with the front and or rear if so equipped.

There is no debate and it's not a matter of opinion. It may not be rocket science, but it is science: move the rear sight in the direction you want the shot to go. Generally, the front sight should be left alone.

What I do want to add is this: when sighting in, don't start from way back, start relatively close and get it on paper. I've burned up a lot of ammo starting way back and not even hitting the paper, therefore just guessing what direction to go. Just Monday I was sighting in a shotgun (slugs) for a friend. First shot, at 40 yards, was a dead miss. I immediately moved to within 15 yards so I could get on paper. Then, adjust and move back ten yards at a time. This sounds like common sense, but so does adjusting the sights, if you know what I mean.

So all the adjustment is made at the rear sight. (I think this is where some were getting confused.
The rear sight is always moved in the direction you want the POI (point of impact) to move.
So if you're hitting 3" to left, you want to move the POI and the rear sight to the right. If you're hitting 3" low you must move the POI and the rear sight up.
There are some sights that have the front sight on a dovetail for side to side (ie:windage) adjustment. In ths case you move the sight in the direction you are off. If it is left, you move the front sight left.

like I said My Gun is dead on....My buddy tried telling me the opposite so in question made me double think.....Butt thanks for replys I never new the "FRONT" sight moved butt we'll leave that alone....IA

lol so it does move..killin me softly!!!:arms:

LOL, sorry for any confusion I caused.

When I said front sight chases POI and rear sight moves away, I meant the last POI. If I'm hitting to the right, I move my front sight to the right, i.e. I CHASE the POI. If I'm adjusting the rear sight, I move it opposite the last POI. It's the same thing as saying you move the front sight the opposite way you want the next bullet to go, and the rear sight the same direction you want the next bullet to go, just a different way of saying it.

It's true that with most guns, you don't move the front sight when sighting in. Not so with the M14, the rifle I shoot most. For windage, the rear sight is ALWAYS to be left at zero when sighting it, so it can be adjusted for...you guessed it...ACTUAL windage when the need arises. You adjust the front sight when you are zeroing the gun.

old school long range ehhh?:fighting0007:

Give me 2... 3 boxes of shells and I would've figured it out. LOL!

iSnipe

3 boxes....hmmmmm thats almost $150 for my loads isnipe. Better get it right with just a few.:rolleye0011:

I figured you to be a few watts brighter to understand it was clearly a joke.

Just goes to show, I am wrong at times.

iSnipe

Yeah man! Accurate out to 1000 yards. With the right shooter. :)

Talking about a dim bulb. You can't even see I was just following your lead.:happy0157:

Shhhiiii. Whad'ya mean? Your bulb's so dim, no one but Rudolph could have followed your lead.

iSnipe

Christmas time
Is here!!!

I guess you are appropriately named.

East/West, North/ South?......lol......You guys are killin' me. I think you meant Left/Right for windage and Up/Down for elevation.........I guess I've never ever had to adjust iron sights for windage but have used the ramp on the rear sight many times for elevation.

You must be referring to my post. Yup I don't know why but in many situations I call up north and down south.......Must be a Vt thing. :confused0024: