carolina hunter dies
11-18-2009, 07:13 PM
#21
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Blacksburg, SC
Posts: 129
11-18-2009, 07:35 PM
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: va USA
Posts: 201
Very tragic. I spent too many years thinking I didn't need a harness "STUPID!" Started wearing one about 8 years ago and in recent years took the plung and bought quality gear. Felt strong enough to go ahead and buy a hunting partner one also and handed it to him just prior to the season. Told him wear it because I did think I would be able to push him in a wheel chair through the woods if he fell. Kinda nice this season with everyone straped in.
I too have a friend that fell, he lived but hasn't been able to care for himself since. His fall was over 20 years ago..
I too have a friend that fell, he lived but hasn't been able to care for himself since. His fall was over 20 years ago..
11-21-2009, 03:32 AM
#24
Spike
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Lake County, IL
Posts: 30
Agree on the cell phone - it's the one thing that I don't scent controll - been thinking about getting an old phone, de-scenting it and switching in my SIM when hunting.
I use my phone allot (unlimited time for work), and I'm sure that there is a "human" scent about it.
It's sad that anyone would die alone like that.
Very sorry.
JTL
I use my phone allot (unlimited time for work), and I'm sure that there is a "human" scent about it.
It's sad that anyone would die alone like that.
Very sorry.
JTL
11-21-2009, 04:05 AM
#25
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323
I'm extremely sorry to hear about your friend and his son. I know how hard it is to lose somebody that close. I'm sorry, I haven't heard anything regarding the situation.
Halfbaked.... Sometimes I disagree with what you post but don't comment because this is a forum that encourages opinion. However, in this case you are quoting statistics so I feel I have to chime in.
Statistics are almost always misleading. Especially the type that you reference in your post. What you fail to consider is the number of lives that are saved by safety harnesses. This is a number that is impossible to quantify because I'm sure that very few people that have experienced a fall while wearing a harness has notified any statasticians about their experience.
Do you really think that only 12 people have fallen from their treestand while wearing a harness? How many have died or been paralyzed from a fall without wearing a harness?
It's unfortunate that stats like the ones you posted are even available for the public to view. These types of stats only give a tiny fraction of the information necessary to make a decision. It doesn't matter if you're talking about safety harnesses, seatbelts, construction helmets, consumption of raw oysters, H1N1....... All statistics can be presented in a way that tells the story that is intended to be heard.
My point is, don't rely solely on simple statistics like yours to make your decisions. There is always more to it.
In this case I think your post is irresponsible. But that won't keep me from reading your future posts.
Halfbaked.... Sometimes I disagree with what you post but don't comment because this is a forum that encourages opinion. However, in this case you are quoting statistics so I feel I have to chime in.
Statistics are almost always misleading. Especially the type that you reference in your post. What you fail to consider is the number of lives that are saved by safety harnesses. This is a number that is impossible to quantify because I'm sure that very few people that have experienced a fall while wearing a harness has notified any statasticians about their experience.
Do you really think that only 12 people have fallen from their treestand while wearing a harness? How many have died or been paralyzed from a fall without wearing a harness?
It's unfortunate that stats like the ones you posted are even available for the public to view. These types of stats only give a tiny fraction of the information necessary to make a decision. It doesn't matter if you're talking about safety harnesses, seatbelts, construction helmets, consumption of raw oysters, H1N1....... All statistics can be presented in a way that tells the story that is intended to be heard.
My point is, don't rely solely on simple statistics like yours to make your decisions. There is always more to it.
In this case I think your post is irresponsible. But that won't keep me from reading your future posts.
11-23-2009, 04:34 PM
#27
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NE Ohio
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Believe it or not there IS a proper way to fall. I think ARMY and Marines learn these techniques.
Re: the quote above, you may be thinking of the 'parachute landing fall,' or PLF. Basically it's legs and feet together, knees slightly flexed, and when you first touch the ground, bend the knees and roll over.
I figure if I'm 18' up the tree and I fall, I can probably cut that distance by a good 6' by maneuvering out of the harness, lowering myself as far as possible, and dropping. Of course, there are a lot of variables involved...the condition one is in (i.e. whether one would be able to do this or not), depends. But, as someone on the thread said, I'd rather spend that few minutes trying to think of plan B then the one second I'd have to think before I hit the ground from 18' up.
11-23-2009, 05:41 PM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Titusville Florida
Posts: 1,727
Not exactly "blood poisoning." But you are correct you can die from hanging in a harness for too long due to a thing called suspension trauma. What happens is the blood circulates down to the legs, and with the straps around your legs, the blood cannot circulate back up the organs and upper extremities. Thus, causing you to slowly but surely pass out, slip into a coma, and die. This ofcourse if you dont find help soon enough or are unable to get back onto your stand. Hunter safety system comes with a suspension strap that is hooked to the back. In the case of a fall you can use this to stand on with a foot and relieve the pressure on your legs from the harness straps. This will allow the blood to circulate a bit and prolong suspension trauma. Again, if you are unable to get back onto your platform another thing to do is lay back (if possible) or try to pick up your legs above your head. This will allow the blood that is pooled in the legs to return to the organs and upper extremities.
Within 7 minutes of hanging in a harness like this suspension trauma has begun.
Within 7 minutes of hanging in a harness like this suspension trauma has begun.
Last edited by Centaur 1; 11-23-2009 at 06:07 PM. Reason: spelling
