Could've arrowed him but.....
11-04-2009, 02:55 PM
#81
Typical Buck
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First, I don't think anyone thinks the thread was made to start an issue or touch nerves. Secondly, it wouldn't bother me if I ever saw a buck like that in the wild....and I haven't yet.
My issue goes back to posts #3 and #4. With the first post about why is wasn't shot, the attacks on the ethics and sportsmanship of others began. That's where I have the issue. Bottom line, end of the line, main point of the entire thing with some of us is simple....A walking, legal deer is a dead deer period. Those who say they wouldn't shoot, for whatever reason, always seem to carry the attitude that their decision is right. It's the same discussion as using corn ....ethics..blah..blah..blah..sportsmanship...blah ..blah..blah....bottom line is that if it's legal, let each person hunt as he CHOOSES without accusing them of being a slob or unethical hunter. Who here is so much better than anyone else to decide how another person should hunt under legal game laws?? Let he who is drop his weapon first.
My issue goes back to posts #3 and #4. With the first post about why is wasn't shot, the attacks on the ethics and sportsmanship of others began. That's where I have the issue. Bottom line, end of the line, main point of the entire thing with some of us is simple....A walking, legal deer is a dead deer period. Those who say they wouldn't shoot, for whatever reason, always seem to carry the attitude that their decision is right. It's the same discussion as using corn ....ethics..blah..blah..blah..sportsmanship...blah ..blah..blah....bottom line is that if it's legal, let each person hunt as he CHOOSES without accusing them of being a slob or unethical hunter. Who here is so much better than anyone else to decide how another person should hunt under legal game laws?? Let he who is drop his weapon first.
11-05-2009, 04:08 AM
#82
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Blacksburg, SC
Posts: 129
Believe it or not, I have actually read all 78 posts and I'd like to add my $0.02 if I may.
I think the major division between the shoot vs. don't shoot crowds are the availability of bucks such as these. If you are able to see deer of this size often or even have a few of them on your wall already, you're more likely to say 'it wasn't fair'. On the other hand, if you see a buck this size once, maybe twice in your LIFETIME, then I think the decison making process is changed a bit.-Regardless if you're a meat or a horn hunter.
Regardless of your opinion, it's quite childish to say 'some people will never get it' or 'you're dumb for not shooting'. I think we all need to be a little more mature. There are a lot of anti-hunting groups that loves to see division among hunters. These types of debates do not help hunters.
I don't think Matt did it intentionally because I've seen his posts and I don't see him as arrogant but the way it was posted probably spured this debate. If he would have simply said, 'hey look at this buck my buddy seen on this small tract of land' and showed us the picture, this wouldln't have blown up like this. But it came across as 'I can shoot these types of bucks anyday so I'll pass on this one because it's too easy'-I'm not saying that's Matt's view, but the way it was presented probably helped spur this on.
I think the major division between the shoot vs. don't shoot crowds are the availability of bucks such as these. If you are able to see deer of this size often or even have a few of them on your wall already, you're more likely to say 'it wasn't fair'. On the other hand, if you see a buck this size once, maybe twice in your LIFETIME, then I think the decison making process is changed a bit.-Regardless if you're a meat or a horn hunter.
Regardless of your opinion, it's quite childish to say 'some people will never get it' or 'you're dumb for not shooting'. I think we all need to be a little more mature. There are a lot of anti-hunting groups that loves to see division among hunters. These types of debates do not help hunters.
I don't think Matt did it intentionally because I've seen his posts and I don't see him as arrogant but the way it was posted probably spured this debate. If he would have simply said, 'hey look at this buck my buddy seen on this small tract of land' and showed us the picture, this wouldln't have blown up like this. But it came across as 'I can shoot these types of bucks anyday so I'll pass on this one because it's too easy'-I'm not saying that's Matt's view, but the way it was presented probably helped spur this on.
As long as it's shot legally i don't see a problem...
11-05-2009, 04:16 AM
#83
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Pensacola Florida
Posts: 326
CuriosssS???
I cannot believe there are people opposing Matt's decision. Like someone said before, some people get it, some people don't i guess. Oh, and on the "i have to fill the freezer" argument...Don't buy a tag, sell your guns/bows and all of your equipment and see how many times over you can "fill your freezer" with hamburger. I promise you it's a helluva lot cheaper to fill your freezer in the grocery store than the back forty...
11-05-2009, 07:03 AM
#84
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 968
Hey...uh can I get the address of the deer harem in the picture?
Honestly, I don't see many deer like that and I'd have probably taken him. I've seen love struck bucks do some pretty dumb things...this is just another. However, if you really felt you shouldn't shoot him, then you did the right thing. You're the one who has to sleep at night knowing what you've done.
Kudos!
Honestly, I don't see many deer like that and I'd have probably taken him. I've seen love struck bucks do some pretty dumb things...this is just another. However, if you really felt you shouldn't shoot him, then you did the right thing. You're the one who has to sleep at night knowing what you've done.
Kudos!
11-05-2009, 07:05 AM
#85
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NE Kansas
Posts: 1,101
Hunting is killing, plain and simple. It isn't a game and it isn't meant to be a thrill, it's for a purpose and that purpose is sustinance..not fun.
Hunting is legitimate recreation. The various creatures of the earth exist for human use and enjoyment, though within limits and boundaries. Hunting truly exists for sustenance, but also as one of the means that humans come to know and enjoy their respective place at the height of creation. That's another reason it has a sacred dimension.
In all of this, I don't necessarily have a problem arrowing the deer in the first post. Again, in general I agree with you.
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11-05-2009, 12:59 PM
#86
Typical Buck
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It would be good to rethink this. It unwittingly presents an anti-hunting argument that would make any recreational hunting illegitimate. We may eat what we kill, but very few actually need to hunting for sustenance.
Hunting is legitimate recreation. The various creatures of the earth exist for human use and enjoyment, though within limits and boundaries. Hunting truly exists for sustenance, but also as one of the means that humans come to know and enjoy their respective place at the height of creation. That's another reason it has a sacred dimension.
In all of this, I don't necessarily have a problem arrowing the deer in the first post. Again, in general I agree with you.
Hunting is legitimate recreation. The various creatures of the earth exist for human use and enjoyment, though within limits and boundaries. Hunting truly exists for sustenance, but also as one of the means that humans come to know and enjoy their respective place at the height of creation. That's another reason it has a sacred dimension.
In all of this, I don't necessarily have a problem arrowing the deer in the first post. Again, in general I agree with you.
Bird watchers do just that, watch with no intention of killing...therefore they don't carry weapons and don't consider themselves hunting. Hunters go out with the intention to kill prey, there's a difference in watching and hunting. Some enjoy watching more than they shoot, that's fine but it's also hunting. Don't confuse the two, if you're hunting then your purpose is killing...plain and simple.
11-05-2009, 01:46 PM
#87
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: On an Island in Vermont
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Your point is well taken Beezer but I think the spirit of the debate has gone awry. Uncle matt made a post and supported his position. Some people agree with his feelings and others do not. Hunting to some is just killing while others feel it is something more personal. To some the end justifies the means and it doesn't matter how the deed is done just that it is completed. Other people like me want the same thing but the method to achieve the goal has to be something we can be proud of. Some people wouldn’t think anything of driving a deer down and then throwing it in the back of the truck and saying they got their buck. Some people will spend thousands of dollars and go to a high fence preserve, shoot their buck and then brag to their friends about their deer. My point is the hunt means different things to different people. In my mind I think sportsmanship means hunting in an ethical way and making sure that the hunt is fair chase. It may be thought of as an elitist thing but that is the way some people think. Others only want to kill and fill the freezer and couldn't care less how it is done. Not bashing anyone who thinks differently and that wasn't my intent on post 3. My post was meant to tell Uncle matt and others that I feel the same way. Some of my best hunts haven’t resulted in a kill. It isn't the destination but rather the journey that I live for.
11-05-2009, 02:42 PM
#88
Typical Buck
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Your point is well taken Beezer but I think the spirit of the debate has gone awry. Uncle matt made a post and supported his position. Some people agree with his feelings and others do not. Hunting to some is just killing while others feel it is something more personal. To some the end justifies the means and it doesn't matter how the deed is done just that it is completed. Other people like me want the same thing but the method to achieve the goal has to be something we can be proud of. Some people wouldn’t think anything of driving a deer down and then throwing it in the back of the truck and saying they got their buck. Some people will spend thousands of dollars and go to a high fence preserve, shoot their buck and then brag to their friends about their deer. My point is the hunt means different things to different people. In my mind I think sportsmanship means hunting in an ethical way and making sure that the hunt is fair chase. It may be thought of as an elitist thing but that is the way some people think. Others only want to kill and fill the freezer and couldn't care less how it is done. Not bashing anyone who thinks differently and that wasn't my intent on post 3. My post was meant to tell Uncle matt and others that I feel the same way. Some of my best hunts haven’t resulted in a kill. It isn't the destination but rather the journey that I live for.
11-05-2009, 03:04 PM
#89
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Connecticut, Central NY
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I think this thread should end. Obviously everyone is going to have their own opinions and thoughts on hunting which is great. Just go out there and enjoy it no matter what goes on. That is what hunting is about. If everyone did the same thing hunting, it would be boring
11-05-2009, 07:32 PM
#90
Giant Nontypical
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Believe it or not, I have actually read all 78 posts and I'd like to add my $0.02 if I may.
I think the major division between the shoot vs. don't shoot crowds are the availability of bucks such as these. If you are able to see deer of this size often or even have a few of them on your wall already, you're more likely to say 'it wasn't fair'. On the other hand, if you see a buck this size once, maybe twice in your LIFETIME, then I think the decison making process is changed a bit.-Regardless if you're a meat or a horn hunter.
Regardless of your opinion, it's quite childish to say 'some people will never get it' or 'you're dumb for not shooting'. I think we all need to be a little more mature. There are a lot of anti-hunting groups that loves to see division among hunters. These types of debates do not help hunters.
I don't think Matt did it intentionally because I've seen his posts and I don't see him as arrogant but the way it was posted probably spured this debate. If he would have simply said, 'hey look at this buck my buddy seen on this small tract of land' and showed us the picture, this wouldln't have blown up like this. But it came across as 'I can shoot these types of bucks anyday so I'll pass on this one because it's too easy'-I'm not saying that's Matt's view, but the way it was presented probably helped spur this on.
I think the major division between the shoot vs. don't shoot crowds are the availability of bucks such as these. If you are able to see deer of this size often or even have a few of them on your wall already, you're more likely to say 'it wasn't fair'. On the other hand, if you see a buck this size once, maybe twice in your LIFETIME, then I think the decison making process is changed a bit.-Regardless if you're a meat or a horn hunter.
Regardless of your opinion, it's quite childish to say 'some people will never get it' or 'you're dumb for not shooting'. I think we all need to be a little more mature. There are a lot of anti-hunting groups that loves to see division among hunters. These types of debates do not help hunters.
I don't think Matt did it intentionally because I've seen his posts and I don't see him as arrogant but the way it was posted probably spured this debate. If he would have simply said, 'hey look at this buck my buddy seen on this small tract of land' and showed us the picture, this wouldln't have blown up like this. But it came across as 'I can shoot these types of bucks anyday so I'll pass on this one because it's too easy'-I'm not saying that's Matt's view, but the way it was presented probably helped spur this on.
I do not see bucks like that all that often. But I will tell everyone this. I see more crazy ass big racked bucks up here in Chicagoland than I do down in S. IL on the farm. And what I really can't figure out is why I see the fat pigs up here. Ain't much crops around anymore and it seems where I do see the pigs there ain't no crops around at all.
So basically HECK NO I can't pick and/or choose which bucks to shoot - big or not. LOL
But there is one thing I am and that is a deer hunter and not a buck hunter.