lets clear things up
 

You dont need any gadgets on TV to kill deer. If theres a comercial on it theres a 99% chance you dont need it.
You do not need any camo clothing to kill deer, camo doesnt really do anything being a deer is color blind, a guilli suit is really the only thing that works dependably. Why spend all that money on camo only to climb in a deer blind or pop up blind, a bow hunter in a tree stand is the only one that would benifit from camo, for you guys, the latest real tree camo or hardwoods or what ever theyre trying to push this week works no better than plain 'ol army camo, gun hunters need not worry about camo period, being that we are shooting from far off distances.
If you bait all you need is corn, plain 'ol corn, nothing else, nada nothing, zip, corn corn corn. No scent attractants, doe pees buck bombs cmere deers buck juices buck jams deer caine. Just corn corn corn.
A food plot is baiting, period! there will be no disscusion about it.
Any centerfire will kill a deer cleanly, again no discussion about it, this is my thread, I am god here. LOL
A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours.
scent control is nonsense, you cant fool a deer with cover scent or any stupid product to wash your clothes in. Hunt down wind and you could smoke a cigar farting the whole time.
Scent lock suits do not work.
Whats this deer score threads are repulsive, if you want to shoot that deer and it makes you happy shoot it. Quit worrying about what a deer scores, thats not what hunting is about
Ok thats it for now, gotta go check the chicken on the pit.
Feel free to add to the list.

You da man

What data do you have to support the statements you have made

Hey, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel, lol. Me thinks the master has spoken. I'll even add one, High price bullets don't kill one bit deader than cheap one's.

Now that's great use of the English language LOL

If I were an English major I'd be writing novels that would be all made into movies.

You can do anything you set your mind to

Yes, but all the good stories have been taken so I just write here.

Glad it's all cleared up.
Maybe you should consider writing "THE" hunting bible - indisputable.
Guess anyone can be a legend in their own mind.

I take it you bought a scent lock suit.

I thought about that but it would take so long to type with one finger and folks wouldn't believe me anyway.

Well put. :rock:

Without going into any details as to my age, I have been hunting deer for over 55 years. I can count on the fingers of one hand the times I have been skunked for the season.
I still wear a set of Woolrich pants and coat, rubber barn boots, brown cotton jersey gloves, all topped of with my favorite red plaid "Elmer Fudd" cap. Never been in a tree stand, never used any scent cover, no exotic calibers, no exotic rifles, no fancy anything.
I guess my Dad told me the secret of getting my deer when I was about 12 years old. He said," sit down, don't move, shut up, and be patient". He also told me "hunt only where the deer are."
So, I fully agree with all your points, and have had over 55 years of experience to form my opinion.
WELL SAID.

this post is the truth you simply said everything alot of folks are thinkin amen

I agree and disagree. Corn IS all you need if you are going to hunt a feeder. Hunting a food plot IS no different than hunting a feeder, although many here think it is. I agree that you don't have to use all the supplements and lures out there. Most are gimmicks. I have to disagree with trying to be scent free. "Hunt the wind" is the dumbest statement ever made. Most of the time the wind is variable. I want to be as scent free as possible just in case the wind decides to change direction. Guess what, it's worked for me for many years. I've killed lots of deer down wind of me, and many were real close. As for camo, you are right, but what difference does it make on what type of camo one buys? If someone wants to buy ten different patterns, that's their perogative.

I disagree greatly with your comment on hunting the wind, Iv set In a stand for an entire day and had the wind blow the same direction all day.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Your dad was a genious.
If you hunt where there are no trophy deer your not going to get a monster buck and it has no bearing on ones hunting ability.
Its about opportunity, some have the opportunity to hunt great locations and kill monster deer on a regular basis.
Others hunt where there are plenty deer and kill every year, others hunt where theres hardly any deer and kill much less.

What really crack me up are the ones wearing camo clothing and and a blaze orange vest and hat.
Buwahahaha.
I do wear some camo only beacuse they are my designated hunting clothes. I wear army fatigue pants because they are pretty durable and I like the cargo pockets everywhere and because I find them in the thrift stores for like 2-4 dollars a pair. Of course I work in them too.

Right, maybe when a front comes through. The wind may stay from the north for a while, but the wind is usually variable. It can blow east one minute and west the next. It can change from north to south in a heartbeat. If you are a hunter, you can't tell me the wind doesn't regularly change directions. The wind constantly swirls and changes directions. If you base your hunting on strictly hunting the wind, you are going to miss many opportunities. Just remember, not all deer are going to come upwind from you. They could come from any direction. This is why you should be as scent free AS POSSIBLE. I know we can't fool a deer's sense of smell 100%, but every ounce of protection sure helps.

I dissagree, we call those swirling winds when it changes direction, either way thats not the norm.
Just got back from a 3 day hunt, the wind stayed the same direction all 3 days and never changed, so I hunted the same tripod, I was bow hunting in my camo shorts boots and black tee shirt, smoking a ciggarette and had hogs at the feeder within 20 yds. I never let an arow fly cause they were a little too big, I was looking for one under 75 lbs. Plus I already have a frezzer full. Was nice to just look at them going about their business.

I guess I'm just plain dumb. I only use deer bee blind camo and natural scent o pee on ya self. hehe. I do use camo and I do stalk deer regardless of what way the wind is blowing. Although I do take mind of which way that is the wind continues to be the strongest. After 20years of guiding I've seen more elk, deer, and antelope by people messing with gadgets on bows, or turning down their scope because it was set at the highest possible power then the elk is 30yds in the trees. I always try to remind people but sometimes my mind is on the tracks ahead.

top 5 gadget mistakes in my world.
1. Scope set on highest power of zoom
2. Bow slings
3. Rangefinders (close means close in any book)
4. Two different brands of ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Ah the GPS.... If your playing with your toy you didn't just see the deer walk by.

P.S. If you smell like a multiple of scents then the animal will key in on that. And after 5 days of elk hunting elk scent starts to smell more like coyote urine. Just sayin..

I hate gadgets. It lowers my yearly success rate.

What about a safety harness??????!!!!!!

No - never owned one.

Not disagreeing with the message for the most part - just the holy delivery.

I have a funny story about something like that that happend during gun season after WAY too many cups of coffee that morning. Kind of disgusting actually.

If you have spent ANY time in the woods, you would know that deer CAN smell you!! And I know that sometimes when I dont was my clothes in that scent remover stuff, I get busted more often.

And camo!! Are you retarted? Even if deer ARE color blind the pattern from the camo still blends you in with your surroundings.

The terrain around you is #1 factor when it comes to swirling winds. If you're hunting hogs from a tripod there's probably no trees or you are on a field edge so the wind stays steady all day, but if you were bow hunting a draw or ridge top in a big woods the winds gonna move around due to thermals, terrain, etc. I always put the wind in my favor, But the less scent i take in to my stand, the better my chances are of not getting busted, and its payed off more than once.

you are right we really don't need half of the hunting junk we buy.

got one better heres my .22 hornet single shot and tasco

and the clothes I wore for this hunt, and I stalked this one.
no bait, food plot and land I never hunted before

I agree with most of what has been said. Most hunting shows are just 30 minute infomercials, peddling crap! I disagree with the notion that scent and camo are not important though! Camo is important to breakup your outline, but cheap camo IS just as good as any other camo. As for scent control, nothing is better than playing the wind, but it helps to be as SCENT FREE as possible! That said, the biggest ripoff in hunting sales is "scent control clothing!" 50 cents worth of good old "Arm & Hammer" beats 'em all!

20 yd shot no camo no scent control, pile of corn















80 yd shot no camo no scent control no bait no blind

the man speakes the truth,,i am a meat hunter ,,u dont need all that nonsense,,,it harder to kill a big old doe than a decenct buck in my area ,,,,

DAYum Zrex you and I FINALLY agree on something ..YOU DA MAN !:rock:

dd

Cant really disagree with much of what youve stated other than this.

"A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours."

You obviously havent hunted SC. One hour before one hour after and if you thing a 32 mm tasco is going to give you what a 50 mm Schmidt and Bender is going to give you, I'd suggest you quit speaking on optics.

Just to re affirm.... I cant disagree with much else. I think the world of hunting has gone gadget wild. I have killed so many deer in a set of blue jeans, Nam era jump boots, shiny walnut stocked gun, red woolrich coat, with a marlboro hanging out of my mouth it would make most anyone stop and consider my methods successful.

IMO these gadgets are hope builders and confidence makers. Picture this a guy puts in his best effort at a hunt for a season and comes up empty handed. Obviously his woodsmanship skills have fallen short. How nice is it to think this year I will just buy some scent, buy some stuff to cover my scent and everything will come to head when that big buck walks out? It is a flat out attack on a hunters personal failure and it is SMART marketing. Hence why it is such a huge industry backed by a half dozen major tv networks. They are selling a dream to men that cant find it of their own means.

The woodsmen of the world have always known scent loc doesnt work. Any human scent in a deers nose is too much. The woodsmen of the world have always known that sitting still was equally as effective as any camo pattern ( in regards to deer at least). The woodsmen of the world have always known it was better to hunt an active breeding area than try to stink up the woods with product and create a fake one. The woodsmen of the world would never consider 450 bucks a great investment for a blind when you can simply sit still behind a brush pile and achieve the same result if not better.

Trouble is.......there are far more hunters out there than woodsmen. Save yourself the headache and stop worrying about what the hopefuls have to buy to give them enough false confidence to hunt in the first place.

I'm with you 100% on this.

Your comparing a 32mm to a 50 mm. Not fair. I know a lot about hunting in the dark. We are allowed to hunt pigs at night here in Texas. I know the difference between cheap and expensive and expensive scopes do nothing to improve my success. I have busted tons of hogs at night with that 4x16x44mm Tasco that cost a whopping 79 bucks. I have since upgraded it to a 4x16x50mm Mueller with red dot. Perfect for pitch dark. My cost another whopping 209.00 bucks.
But if a 2000.00 swarovski scope makes you feel good go for it.
A fool and his money are easily parted. not me and my money.

Not fair ? How so ? Would it be because the larger reticle scope is inherently more expensive? More expensive because there is more put into it so it PERFORMS better in low light? Ahhhh sorry friend in this case a few more duckies buys you actual performance in the field you can count on. How long and reliably you can count on it often times depends on the quality of the piece of equipment. Thats where you separate yourself from 79 dollar disposable scopes and start looking into high dollar optics. You see friend, not only do I want better in the field performance, but i expect it to continue to work . I got a junk drawer full of beater tasco/simon/bushnell scopes that havent lasted a lifetime. On the other hand I am the proud owner of three Leupolds that continue to serve me well year after year, regardless of travel weather, or light. I am not a 2000 dollar scope man myself, but I can assure you the difference between a 79 dollar wally world scope and a 600 dollar Leupold is light years.

Sorry I just can't sign onto your thinking on optics. The rest not a problem which I think is a pretty generous statement considering you have attacked numerous issues that get heavily debated often.

Yeah but if I can get 5 years out of a 79 dollar scope, that will give me 30 to 35 years before I've got the same money in optics that you have. In that amount of time you will see the optics of that 79 dollar scope improve as manufacturing techniques get more advanced. With the high dollars scopes the increase you get level to level is,IMHO, not worth the cost.

10-4 that math works out great if your equipment shows up to hunt every time. But when I travel to Idaho at great expense for travel, license, tags, ect I sure as heck dont want to lose two days in the field over a cheap scope that wasnt up for the chore. Or after dropping a couple grand on a land lease, a few hundred more on stands, and countless days scouting, preparing and hoping for a chance a whopper buck only to miss it because the paralax in my scope is floating on every shot. Or spend a week hunting a buck that comes out during legal but in such dim light I cant see it through my scope... Or climb to the top of a deep ravine ready to put the crosshairs on a monster only to see my scoped fogged from the inside...

You guys keep buying your cheap glass. All of the above examples are why I have a drawer full of junk scopes and three that go on every hunt with me.

People always get pissed at me because I have a bad habit of breaking things down.

All of my guns are what I believe to be the best quatlity for the money. Same with my optics. I have never spent over $200 on a scope, and I never will. Fact is, I am 100% confident that I can out shoot half the "hunters" in the woods at 100 yards with my open sight 1960's 30-30 lever action no matter what gun they are holding and what scope is sitting on top of it. BUT, I have worked hard to become the best marksman I can.

I do buy good hunting cloths!! I don't care about patterns, but I do care about comfort and quality, and those two things don't always come cheap. Especially when it comes to foul weather clothing.

As for bait....I can't comment. I hunt public land exclusively, and have never baited an animal, unless you call tracking deer to where they feed and waiting for them there "baiting".

As for scent control, about all I do is wash my cloths in a purfume free detergent and clean with a scent free soap. I hunt in Southeast Louisiana and it is really hard to hunt "down wind" when the air is still and stagnant. Sometimes here it can be November and you will be in 80 degree heat with 90% humidity and not a leaf on the tree moving. Of course, if I do have wind then I will use it to my advantage.

AHHHHH IS THAT ONE OF THOSE HI TECH THOUMB HOLE STOCKS I SEE ON YOUR RIFLE OR SHOTGUN ..DID YOU REALLY NEED A THUMBHOLE STOCK ZR :p?

DD