RE: Drive Hunting
 

" If the deer densities are that low up there how tuff do you think the bowhunting would be? Exactly! Pretty damn. That' s why they drive because bowhunting is too tuff"

LOL, sa, I just hope you have a littlee bit of a clue how ridiculous you sound, if nothing else.
So....I guess if those Canadien bowhunters visited your state, using YOUR logic, they could complain how easy it would be to kill deer with a bow, how " unchallenging" it would be, hell, they' d have to catch them with their hands to get the same challenge they' re used to back home, LOL

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Here I will type slow so you can understand. Anywhere you go in the US or Canada it will be easier to kill deer in that region by driving them than it would be bowhunting them from a stand. Have you ever bow hunted and if so how many have you killed that way.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Why go slow? You can change your tune midstride anytime, I think everyone can keep up.
I certainly agree in any specific area it takes more skill to kill a deer on stand than with a drive. 100%
It' s your blanket statements that drive hunting iss not much of a challenge that I had to correct. In many areas, drive hunting is very, very difficult to be successful at, and takes a great deal of woodsmanship and skill. Maybe not in the small hardwood blocks, pine forests, and swamps in your area, but in the home states of some of these guys, very much so. That' s all.
Why is it you change your argument when someone shows a reason to disagree?
Taz gave his opinion on the subject, just like any of us, but you twisted his words to suit your agenda. He said he thought stand hunting and drive hunting both required skills, just different ones, never mentioning bowhunting at all. You couldn' t stand someone disagreeing, so you attacked his credibility by pointing out his bowhunting experiences, however limited. He was talking about standhunting, not just with a bow, but stand hunting in general, at least that' s the way it reads, if ya read it. Ta has said he' s hunted for some years, I seem to remember he killed a buck that you' d be lucky to match in your lifetime, as would I, if memory serves. Just because he' s only just started bowhutning, doesn' t mean he' s not knowledgeable in stand hunting tactics, right? If you take up the muzzleloader for the first time next year, does that mean you all of the sudden know nothing about stand hutning? Try to keep up, sa, with THIS conversation, not the one inside your head.
Not that it matters, but I' ve killed something over 45 big game animals with a bow, mostly deer, I can think of a dozen or more off the top of my head members of this very forum have helped drag out, if ya doubt it. Not near as many as some here, but hopefully enough to meet whatever criteria the fellas in your head demand.
;)
I' m done here, it' s a wide world outside your personal experiences, maybe open your eyes instead of judging so quickly. Have fun

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Me changing tunes!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It' s called reading comprehension! You should try it some time![:o]

I have killed 6 that will make the book, with a bow, 2 of them going over 160;)

RE: Drive Hunting
 

CBM SC

No, I offered him a friendly week of bowhunting, a challenge to get him interested with a very fair deal to sweeten the plot since he is lives so far away. I would have offered him the same deal for our rifle season, but the tags are on a lottery system and the chances of getting one is very slim for a non-resident and with only a 2.5 week season that would be tougher for him to fit in then the 4 month bow season. Now that would have been fun and no I wouldn' t make him go on a drive although I hope he would just to see what it is like in my area. He could hunt any method. Bow can be used also for that tag. He compares what is challenging to him ( which is in his area I might feel the same) to drive hunting and then lumps all drivers in the same catigory as anyone can do it. Well anyone can also bowhunt. Depending on what you put into it or what your trying to accomplish with any hunting method will decide how challenging it is and I have stated that from the beginning. Terrain also plays a part, just as access to land, competition from other hunters, how much the deer have been pressured, climate, length of season and other things. He is trying compares bowhunting with rifle hunting. How do you argue that one and why even compare it to each other. I would imagine using a spear would be more challenging then bow. How about a rock?? Not many would agrue which of these is harder. And yes driving deer with a bow would be much harder then with a rifle if that makes you happy. Also with the idea of getting him up here, he would see trees aren' t the best for wallhangers for bow when relying on just your hunting ability minus the scentlock, lure or rattle horns. The few trees we have are good for hunting deer if you are looking for does, young bucks and if you luck out with the right wind to even be able to hunt it, but if you want the trophy, you will do it from the ground and now you are playing at their level with a new set of rules to follow. That was the main reason I offered the hunt as I was curious how he would adapt as I put enough info in my other posts on what soemone can expect when hunting my area that when he got here and found out there really is not much for trees ( thicket, what' s that?? LOL ) not everything is the same from area to area. That one way is not the best way and is why I like being able to use different methods of hunting. I bet he would find bowhunting on the ground in my area is more challenging then tree stand hunting is in his area. I even left a loop hole when I said he had to shot it off his tree stand. Never did say it had to be fasten to a tree. Course he would have to prove he was actually standing on when he shot the deer off the ground. :D

sa
Too bad you can' t come as I was serious. This post is turning into a real bashing. Alot of good points being expressed but looks like tempers are flaring too much for any good to come of it. I had hoped it wouldn' t really come down to what it has but posts on baiting, dog hunting or drives usually does. You darned bowhunters or is that stand hunters ??!! ;) Course I don' t think I helped it any. Oh well till the next time. Offer still stands should you change you mind.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

It' s funny that you of all people would make that comment, considering this is my original post:

Notice where I say " do I think it requires as much skill" . I simply expressed an opinion.

I never said anything similar to that.

Again, I made no such implication. So you call me out and you' re suprised this thread turns out this way[:o][:' (][X(]

I will go ahead now and be honest. Although I do sincerely appreciate an invitation to your hunting spot, I have no interest in going. I don' t believe it was genuine. I hunt for fun and going to hunt with anyone on a " well I' ll just show you scenario" doesn' t sound like much fun. It would appear that we have very little in common anyway.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Some people think that the number of deer shot is directly related to how good a hunter he/she may be. There are way too may variables to come to that conclusion. Driving deer, hunting with dogs, hunting from tree stands...these are all legal methods and why should one hunter challenge another on his methods, so long as it' s legal. From personal experience, I know hunters from the mid-west that get a deer every year, some with bow, some with M/L others with shotguns etc. They see deer EVERY time that go in to the deer woods and pass on deer everyday. Yet these same three guys have hunted here in NH, and one took a small spike with a M/L, the other two have yet to SEE a deer after hunting the last two years and for 9 straight days. Only one deer seen and the same deer was shot...That' s 54 huntings days for three guys that take deer with ease when hunting back home. Are they good hunters?... probably, but seeing, shooting deer in one region should never be compared equally when hunting in another area. The same applies when using different hunting methods. What' s a good method for one area may not be good for another and personally those who don' t agree with that...all I can say, if you think you' re a good bow hunter.....come to NH, but please don' t call the taxidermist before leaving.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

sa
Maybe I read to much in your post. I guess the cutting wood bit touched a nerve and the blinders went on. I did admit I was no help for this post to go bad.

All' s I was trying to do with the invite was to show you my area so you can see for yourself what it is like. That some of us take driving serious, set limits on ourselves and put a lot into it besides just walking. The offer wasn' t about me being better then you, but possibly you seeing my side of the point when it comes to drives in my area. Since it wouldn' t take a week to try and get my point across, whether you accepted it or not, You might as well hunt as that is a good way of getting familar with an area. You would find trees are not much good here for bow. You can' t say stand hunting is more challenging then any other method here. Since the big bucks " DON" T" use the trees, you " HAVE" to use another method. Tree stand hunting is not challenging but waste of time. It would be as smart as hunting with an unloaded rifle. So my opinion is driving deer is much more challenging or any other method for that fact since you need to hunt where the big bucks are at in my area. You might get lucky in a tree stand but you will not do it year to year, nor every 5 years by hunting by deer sign or patterning bucks.

The invite was sincere. Since I invited you, I would have done my best to make sure you enjoyed yourself. If you can' t find fun in a week of hunting 6000 acres, define fun to me as I don' t get it. Even if we didn' t hit it off since bowhunting is generally a solo style of hunting we would not be hunting together. I know you live far away and have many reason for not being able to come or you just didn' t want to. I would have excepted any of them. Simple no thanks would suffice which you provided in the post before.

Maybe we don' t have much in common and it won' t be something I would lose sleep over nor doubt you will either.


Tim

RE: Drive Hunting
 

If you don' t legally hunt the way I hunt, you are a irresponsible, unethical hunting slob.....Bull####

RE: Drive Hunting
 

I personally feel deer driving should be outlawed, but that is only my opinion. Every year after gun season, I go out and start my scouting process over because in this area, drives seem to be the only way to hunt. I have hunted with guns and bows, hunted from stands, ground, still etc. I will not hunt with a gun again unless I become physically unable to bow hunt. Bowhunting is much more challenging, you get more time in the woods which is what I enjoy the most, and quite frankly you don' t have to worry about stray bullets flying your way like I did while rifle hunting. You will see far more deer in a drive yes, but you will also wound, maim, and endanger everyone and everything in your hunting area doing a drive. A coworker poo-pooed me for saying this to him and his family who are well known drive hunters. He told me his family had always hunted this way, it was the only true way to hunt deer to him. When asked how many deer were shot then not found the last season, he said that was part of hunting, he didn' t care. Asked what he would do if someone in the group got shot the rush and excitement of the drive, " Will never happen, we are good shots and know what we are doing." This past season, my co-worker and his cousin were doing a drive with friends, they entered a field with their truck and a deer took off, in their rush to get the guns out(they kept them loaded all the time) of the truck, my co-worker shot his cousin in the head killing him. Accidents can happen to anyone, this one was preventable by practicing better gun/safety methods. The cousin left behind two sons, his wife and a farm, just because traditions couldnt be broken.