RE: Drive Hunting
 

Personally i like to still hunt in a stand or in a blind. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Proff

I know you weren' t implying everyone that rifle hunts is evil. Your post did raise the hair on the back of my neck though and made me growl. Not at you but what you have to deal with. How many people will read your post and will make their minds up that drives are wrong and only slobs use this method yet have never been on a drive that is done right or had first hand experience with it?? I wasn' t attacking you like I said but was trying to make others see not everyone is like that and it is not the method that is bad but the people abusing it. I am not trying to convince you or any others who don' t like that method to go out an try it as it is the only way to hunt and my way is better then yours. Your side of the issue does need to be heard along with the others who have problems with it. Hopefully the ones that abuse will read your post and see how wrong they are and how there poor standards wrecks it for all. If driving is banned, these slobs will just move on to another method or style of hunting. Nothing was fixed and more will be lost on account of it. This day and age, people don' t seem to know where to put the blame and will make all suffer instead of the people that deserve it. Look at all the gun laws. These laws sure haven' t stop or even slowed down the crime and truth be told it has helped crime. The only ones it effects are the honest law abiding people that follow the rules. Who benefited on that?? It wasn' t us.

I like using a variety of methods to hunt. Drives happen to be one of them but on a " MUCH, MUCH " smaller scale compared to what your familar with and I am not out to slaughter all the deer nor weigh the world down with lead and cause us to crash into the moon. [:o] Our area is not the same as yours and I will use the method that works or I enjoy. Like I said in earlier replies, we don' t have many trees. I don' t know if I have 30 years left in me to plant a tree, watch it grow so I can put up a stand and hopefully a deer will come within range before I die. You got to remember us drivers can' t read deer sign to save our soul. ;) :) I want to hunt now and enjoy what I have before it is taken away due to some slob or someone' s greed. I hope the same for you. It is good to see you are trying to do something about your problem. Goodluck!!

Tim

RE: Drive Hunting
 

TJF,
Thanks for the post. I am glad that you understand where I was coming from on the subject, and I completely understand your side. I can tell just from posts the same way I do and there is no doubt in my mind that I wouldn' t have a problem with your hunting methods, nor you mine. I apreciate the fact that you replied to my first post and questioned my meaning in a very civil and polite manner. It seems like too often on the forums guys just start ripping without taking the time to see the other guys point and how he intended it to be. Sometimes the way a person writes something isn' t really the way that they intended it to be taken. It just isn' t the same as being there talking to someone. So thank you for taking the time to understand my side of the of the discussion before jumping to the wrong conclusion. That is the way that these types of forims should work. With that, I wish you the best of luck in all your hunts.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

My friends and i have done a drive or two and its not realy for me. Part of the pleasure of deer hunting is the quite solitude. Not to mention the fact that taking a shot at a runnin deer can very easily = a wounded deer. IM NOT KNOCKING ANYONE WHO HUNTS THIS WAY. Its just not for me, difrent strokes. Besides Oklahoma woods are flooded with hunters come rifle season.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

I' ve put on drives from just me and another person to parties of 15 people. Each can be very effective methods of taking deer. Yes sometimes your only shot is a hard runner, but no one is forcing anyone to pull that trigger if such is the case. More often than not you can get a slow trotting or stopped shot at a deer from a drive. I do also bowhunt and by far and away prefer that as my chosen method to hunt. I know people who drive in archery season. They go extremely slow. That I' ve never been in on. Its all a matter of what' s the accepted methods in the area in which you live.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

TJF,

I hate to burst your bubble but I have drive hunted, dog hunted, stalk hunted, and stand hunted all quite a bit over the years. I think it is hunting and it is ethical. I just think any 13yr old that can shoulder a shotgun can kill the biggest deer in the world. Take that same inexperienced individual and let them figure when a where that big buck is going to be at an exact moment in time and then make sure he can put himself within 30 yards of that animal at that time, without alerting them to his presence with scent or sound, then you have a challenge. Any one can call their buddy and say " hey I saw a big deer run in that thicket behind farmer Ben' s house. Call Billy Jim and Billy Jake and the rest of the boys and we' ll go run him out of there and shoot him" [&:] That fact that you find that as challenging as the aforementioned scenario tells me that you know little about the other aspects of deer hunting.

Try walking through that same thicket only next time do it, while carrying a deer stand without making a sound. Then hang a deer stand again without running off everything in the country (you' re intent when driving). But hold on and wait a minute before you do all that you need to actually try to figure out if it is a complete coincidence that deer is there or is it a routine that you can capitalize on? Then you need to get him within 30yrds to get a shot at him, not while he is running frantically for his life, but while he is moving slowly and cautiously through the area. All without ever letting him know you are there.

So is cutting wood??????????????

I didn' t say that treestands hunters are smarter. I said it requires more skill (i.e. it is more challenging) that' s doesn' t mean drive hunters don' t have the skill to treestand hunt, it merely implies that they don' t have to use it (at least not nearly to the same extent) while drive hunting.

I can take a group of my bowhunting buddies and go out drive hunting and HAMMER them anytime. Can you and your buddies pick up a bow at will and go kill deer consistenly? I hope you are going to answer NO unless you have already PROVEN that you can do so.

jred,

That question can' t be answered with a definite yes or know. For some it is completely ethical for others it is completely unethical. I grew up dog hunting in Mississippi and in those days some of the members would kill 15-20 deer a year, all running. It was extrmely rare for them to miss a running deer. They had grown up doing it and had shot a few hundred a piece that way. So yes it was ethical for the majority of those hunters to shoot at deer running.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Well my preference now that I am older is stand hunting, but in my youth when I was full of pee and vinager I enjoyed running dogs and doing drives.

Each type of hunting involves a totally different set of skills which need to be learned.

Stand hunting requires intense scouting to locate a spot where deer move through on (hopefully) a daily basis and positioning your stand properly for the wind and cover.

Running dogs with any degree of success requires knowledge of a large tract of land and the deer in that area. We used to run short legged beagles because they didn' t push the deer hard, it was rare to take a shot at a deer on a dead run, most shots were either with a deer trotting or stopping to look over its shoulder. The skill set here is not to learn where the deer move on a normal daily basis, the skill is to learn where they bed during the day and where they will go when pushed. If you have done your scouting right you posters will be standing right where the deers escape route is for an easy shot.

Drives with people involves many of the skills of running dogs but on a smaller scale, the way we drove never involved noise or hooting and hollering, it was slow stop and go movement by the drivers and excellent knowledge of where to set your posters. There were many times the drivers would kill deer, because if you were driving right you would catch them trying to circle back through the drivers.

Any one who says it takes more skill to stand hunt than drive or run dogs doen' t know what they are talking about, the skill sets are totally different, if done properly they are all hunting and not luck, each method can also be luck!

RE: Drive Hunting
 

Well your stand hunting credentials certainly don' t give your opinion any merit in my opinion. I believe you have killed 1 deer from a stand with a bow. How does that qualify you to judge? You just told me how little you know about stand hunting. If you truely think that it takes as much skill for someone to say " hey grab your rifle and cover this side of the field" as it does to scout and area, prepare a stand, get into and out of that area without spooking deer, be in the same place that a deer is at the same time he is, and then get an arrow into him?[&:] Well sufice to say you sound like someone that has only killed 1 deer with a bow.[:o]

Not to do it, to be successful at it. A judgement you aren' t qualified to make as you have not yet been successful in the archery stand hunting realm.;)

One more thing. If you showed up with a pack of beagles where I grew up dog hunting, you would get laughed all the way back to Virginia.;)

RE: Drive Hunting
 

You aren' t talking about the same thing here. I would say it takes more skill for someone to cover that side of the field than someone is sit in a stand that someone pointed too and shoot that same deer.

I think you are assuming that all stand hunters pattern a buck, put up there stand and wait for them to come to you. In the real world, where I reside you can' t throw everyone under one umbrella. Just because you hunt the way that you do, don' t assume all other stand hunters do also.

RE: Drive Hunting
 

I can however throw all drive hunters under the same umbrella. Because all that you can do is walk and shoot.

As you will see from my original post I was specific:


Any numb scull and I mean any numb scull can stand there and shoot a deer that is about to run over him. It' s a self defense mechanism. It doesn' t require skill, just reflex. It is much more difficult to put time in scouting, reading sign, hanging stands, hunting the wind, and then making the shot with a bow.

I know a lot of people that consistently kill deer doing drives. As a matter of fact I have several friends who resort to drives when the hunting gets tough. Because they know they can go kill one on a drive. It' s just that simple.