Iron sites with a scope
05-05-2009, 03:02 PM
#41
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
ORIGINAL: Steve863
Those see-thru mounts are by far the cheapest, flimsiest mounts one can put on a rifle. I honestly see no reason to put any sort of removable or see-thru scope mounts on a deer/bear rifle. One will have more accuracy with a scope in just about any situation. I can't see iron sights benefiting anyone other than a very experienced rifleman, and a rifleman with experience would probably do just as well or better with a scope also, so again I can't see much benefit in iron sights for anyone.
Those see-thru mounts are by far the cheapest, flimsiest mounts one can put on a rifle. I honestly see no reason to put any sort of removable or see-thru scope mounts on a deer/bear rifle. One will have more accuracy with a scope in just about any situation. I can't see iron sights benefiting anyone other than a very experienced rifleman, and a rifleman with experience would probably do just as well or better with a scope also, so again I can't see much benefit in iron sights for anyone.
In the Marine Corps we were trained to shoot at human sillouette targets at 500 meter (about 550 yards) with iron sights on our M-16A2's. I averaged about 7 out of 10 in the black at the 500 meter line. It's actually not that hard once you understand what's you're doing. After shooting at 500 yards with iron sights, a 200 yard shot with a scope from a steady position is child's play.
Mike
05-08-2009, 04:40 AM
#43
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: On an Island in Vermont
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
I have several guns I use for hunting deer and most have just a scope. I do have one that I use in the deep dark woods like northern Maine which has just a Williams peep sight. For the most part I don't have a problem with hunting with a scope except during heavy snow. I haveflip upcaps that I put on the main rifle I use to help but it is a bit difficult to make those real fast shots that sometimes come when you are tracking in the snow. I put see through mounts on my slug gun which I use late season when I go to the mid west for a hunt. If the scope gets snow covered or foggy then I justuse the iron sights. I do feel that long range accuracy suffers from using the scopes set so high using see through mounts. One of my ML guns has detachable scope mounts. I do feel that even though it is close to same point of impact it does change the accuracy a little after removing and replacing the scope.
05-23-2009, 09:40 AM
#44
Spike
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
ORIGINAL: WVCritterGitter
Maybe I'm just old school here but I wouldn't own a rifle without iron sights. I have see through mounts on all my rifles and have never had one ounce of trouble with them. The scope on my Remingtom 700 has been right on every year since I installed it in 1981 and I've never had to reset it. It's seen a lot of action as has my Marlin and my Knight and they are trouble free as well. As far as shooting the rifle, I find it more comfortable to shoot with the scope slightly elevated as opposed to having to lay down on the stock to see through the scope. Different strokes for different folks. I suppose that's why they make all sizes and shapes.
Here's that 10 point I took a few years back with my Remingtom 700 using open sights. Notice the scope. I was manovering to try to get a shot and at some point, I knocked some snow off of an overhanging limb and filled my scope. When I leveled up on him he was quartering away and at a fast walk and I couldn't see a thing. I imediately droped down on my iron sights and made a good shot at about 60 yards.
Maybe I'm just old school here but I wouldn't own a rifle without iron sights. I have see through mounts on all my rifles and have never had one ounce of trouble with them. The scope on my Remingtom 700 has been right on every year since I installed it in 1981 and I've never had to reset it. It's seen a lot of action as has my Marlin and my Knight and they are trouble free as well. As far as shooting the rifle, I find it more comfortable to shoot with the scope slightly elevated as opposed to having to lay down on the stock to see through the scope. Different strokes for different folks. I suppose that's why they make all sizes and shapes.
Here's that 10 point I took a few years back with my Remingtom 700 using open sights. Notice the scope. I was manovering to try to get a shot and at some point, I knocked some snow off of an overhanging limb and filled my scope. When I leveled up on him he was quartering away and at a fast walk and I couldn't see a thing. I imediately droped down on my iron sights and made a good shot at about 60 yards.
05-23-2009, 10:31 AM
#45
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
05-23-2009, 10:57 AM
#46
Spike
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
ORIGINAL: magicman54494
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
05-23-2009, 02:48 PM
#47
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Iron sites with a scope
ORIGINAL: bmumford
What's your rig constist of? And where do you hunt?
ORIGINAL: magicman54494
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
I shoot see thru mounts. Snow,water, fogging can render a scope useless. so can aiming into the sun. I also use my iron sights for close shots and especially on running shots.
I believe I never would have got this buck with my scope. I tracked him and jumped him and had to make a very quick running shot. Everyone is different. I will always have see thru mounts on my guns.
for the close running shots I would compare my shooting to shooting a shot gun. I point and fire. This might seem strange but if you practice long enough the gun should come up and be right on. I practice a lot without even firing the gun. I just pick a target and draw on it quickly.
If the deer is moving I suck with a scope but I guess thatsjust me.
