ar restictions for ny
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164

Texas practices it and has one of the finest deer herds in the country, both in numbers and quality deer
Therefore Tx does it, so should NY?
Steve
#22
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
Posts: 10,079

If the state wants to have antler restrictions on public land, then I would be O.K. with it, however on my private land if my grandsons or myselfwant to shoot a spike or other "non-trophy grade" deer then that should be my business.
#23

ORIGINAL: Remnard
It is wrong to marry an ugly woman! Unless you're an uglier guy.
Its not the same either. It's not about looks. Antlers and testosterone go hand in hand. despite the size of the horns nature intends the best bucks to breed. You won't have the best bucks unless they get some age on them.
Now if you went around killing all the ugly woman, that would be different. If there was no alcohol in the world, most ugly women wouldn't breed anyway!
Its not about us. Antlers are just a perk of quality deer management.
ORIGINAL: DeerandbearhoG
What about the kid or newbie that does want to shoot a small buck, why should your current standards, dictate what others coming up behind you, shoot? Telling other hunters its wrong to shoot small bucks ,cause the average buck might get a few more inches on their racks, 10 years down the line, if we all shoot bigger ones, is like telling a guy its wrong to marry an ugly woman, because if we all marry hot women, well all be better looking in the future. Total elitist attitude.
ORIGINAL: Ed McDonald
It wouldn't bother me one bit if this was done on a state-wide basis . I have no problem with shooting does .
I don't particularly care for the "if it's brown , it's down " attitude !
It wouldn't bother me one bit if this was done on a state-wide basis . I have no problem with shooting does .
I don't particularly care for the "if it's brown , it's down " attitude !
Its not the same either. It's not about looks. Antlers and testosterone go hand in hand. despite the size of the horns nature intends the best bucks to breed. You won't have the best bucks unless they get some age on them.
Now if you went around killing all the ugly woman, that would be different. If there was no alcohol in the world, most ugly women wouldn't breed anyway!
Its not about us. Antlers are just a perk of quality deer management.
Its seems totally ridiculous that hunters think they can control the breeding habits of deer.
#24
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location:
Posts: 819

ORIGINAL: DeerandbearhoG
Are you trying to say the older bucks with the biggest racks, do the most breeding? Simply not true, in fact Id bet the older bucks are the ones that dont do much breeding at all cause their hiding while the smaller ones are running around breeding.
Its seems totally ridiculous that hunters think they can control the breeding habits of deer.
ORIGINAL: Remnard
It is wrong to marry an ugly woman! Unless you're an uglier guy.
Its not the same either. It's not about looks. Antlers and testosterone go hand in hand. despite the size of the horns nature intends the best bucks to breed. You won't have the best bucks unless they get some age on them.
Now if you went around killing all the ugly woman, that would be different. If there was no alcohol in the world, most ugly women wouldn't breed anyway!
Its not about us. Antlers are just a perk of quality deer management.
ORIGINAL: DeerandbearhoG
What about the kid or newbie that does want to shoot a small buck, why should your current standards, dictate what others coming up behind you, shoot? Telling other hunters its wrong to shoot small bucks ,cause the average buck might get a few more inches on their racks, 10 years down the line, if we all shoot bigger ones, is like telling a guy its wrong to marry an ugly woman, because if we all marry hot women, well all be better looking in the future. Total elitist attitude.
ORIGINAL: Ed McDonald
It wouldn't bother me one bit if this was done on a state-wide basis . I have no problem with shooting does .
I don't particularly care for the "if it's brown , it's down " attitude !
It wouldn't bother me one bit if this was done on a state-wide basis . I have no problem with shooting does .
I don't particularly care for the "if it's brown , it's down " attitude !
Its not the same either. It's not about looks. Antlers and testosterone go hand in hand. despite the size of the horns nature intends the best bucks to breed. You won't have the best bucks unless they get some age on them.
Now if you went around killing all the ugly woman, that would be different. If there was no alcohol in the world, most ugly women wouldn't breed anyway!
Its not about us. Antlers are just a perk of quality deer management.
Its seems totally ridiculous that hunters think they can control the breeding habits of deer.
I'm not saying we can control the breeding habits of deer. What I am saying is if you leave a good cross section of age classes they will sort them selves out and nature will take over as far as who is doing the breeding. The normal natural structure is 1:1 when we screw with that it causes too many deer per square mile, which is why we are up to our eyeballs in deer in some areas.
Its not about the hunter.
#25

I'd love to know how any hunter, knows for a fact, that big bucks are "doing the lions share of breeding" at night. Are you watching deer breed at night, w/ infrared goggles from your treestand? Any deer that have had their breeding habits studied ,have been in a controlled environment, and were not likely to be pressured into breeding nocturnally. Even wild deer tracked w/ a radio collar, how would they know when deer were breeding?
Most things in nature are alot simpler than humans perceive them to be. I think deer get big because they have adapted to hunting pressure to the point,that some can even resist the urge to breed in order to avoid hunters. I dont think its intelligence though, I think its just instinct.
I dont think any deer are "smart" ,and "dominance" in the deer world is a myth too IMO, they are herd animals, not pack animals like canines, I think they fight out of sheer aggression due to increased testosterone during the prerut.
Most things in nature are alot simpler than humans perceive them to be. I think deer get big because they have adapted to hunting pressure to the point,that some can even resist the urge to breed in order to avoid hunters. I dont think its intelligence though, I think its just instinct.
I dont think any deer are "smart" ,and "dominance" in the deer world is a myth too IMO, they are herd animals, not pack animals like canines, I think they fight out of sheer aggression due to increased testosterone during the prerut.
#26
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
Posts: 10,079

Like many of you, I've read of trhe control situations where they take a large high fence area, put a bunch of ubred does in there and then put a number of different age bucks with them. Later on the fawns are tested by DNA and the results show that the majority of the time there are only a few of the bucks that actually do the majority of the breeding. The 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 year old bucks seem to be the most agressive breeders and often there are some of the biggest bucks that breed very seldom. The DNA of young bucks should be basically the same as the old bucks anyway, unless they are superior bred bucks inserted in the herd from another area anyway.
#27

Every restriction that you accept is one less opportunityeveryone elsehas to hunt. Don't let the special interest groups tell you how to hunt, if you want to restrict yourself that's a choice you've had since day one, don't force it on everyone else. Restrictions inevitably force those who just want to hunt in peace to choose another hobby, and they outnumber the trophy hunter by a very large margin. If they decide to go fishing instead because it's less bother you run the risk of having fewer hunters keeping the herd in check, and eventually restrictions imposed on you that you won't like such as "no buck" seasons. Bag limits and what should be shot must be decided by those who are paid tomonitor the herd, not those who think they know better. The better game management agencies such as my state has manage for the overall good health of the herd in general, not strictly for trophy opportunities, the trophies are out there if you make the effort to find them. Another thing to consider is this, if your state becomes known for a large number of trophy bucks the incentive to cater to trophy management will quickly encourage the landowners of your state to lease ground to the highest bidder, and once that happens it will become very difficult to hunt affordably. Ask anyone who hunts the trophy states like Illinois and Iowa if you don't believe it. Be careful what you wish for headhunters, you may get it.