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mossbergman11/OH 12-17-2008 02:55 PM

treestand cover and positions
 
how do you get a stand position that has enough cover so you dont get seen? pics would be great, and how much cover is enough cover?

Remnard 12-17-2008 05:03 PM

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what kind of stand?

Ladder, climber, fixed?

mossbergman11/OH 12-17-2008 05:46 PM

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ladder and hang on

trophytaker3006 12-17-2008 06:33 PM

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if your stand has a rail around it i would hang sum camo burlap from the rail ( you can pick it up at walmart for like 5 bucks ) it will give you enough consealment to shif you feet and legs around and it also serves as a wind breaker

Bowflex 12-17-2008 06:36 PM

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This time of year when the leaves are long gone I often setup on the opposite side of the tree from where I expect to see deer. It doesn't always work and you have to spend most of the time standing, but it is the only way to be concealed.

timbercruiser 12-18-2008 07:11 AM

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Try to have limbs, etc behind you to break up your outline. Evergreens like holley or cedars are good to trim and put the stand in. Placing the stand on the south or north side of the potential shooting areas will prevent having the sun behind you.

crenshaw 12-18-2008 08:16 AM

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I try to bury my stands in cover. If i use a ladder stand i like to have a lot of cover around me, my favorite right now has two ceder trees next to it and i cut a small hole through them so i can shoot. The stand is 8 yards from a massive trail and 3 yards from another, havent been busted yet, knock on wood. And my dad shot his biggest buck to date out of it.

My hang on stands I like to have lots of limbs and if i cant have that i choose a bigger tree where my body is covered by the sheer mass of the tree.

mossbergman11/OH 12-19-2008 03:14 PM

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cedar trees? how would that work?

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trkyhntr247 12-20-2008 10:16 AM

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cool pics

Crow31 12-20-2008 10:20 AM

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I like finding forked trees and my stand so that it sits right in the middle of the fork.

ken3g 12-20-2008 10:28 AM

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Check out this web site www.thechameleonblind.com there for tree stands, strap-ons, ladders and climbers. I want to get 1 for next yr because I got busted twice this yr by Does, they saw me me move just a hair. Hope this helps.

mossbergman11/OH 12-20-2008 11:11 AM

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if you have a stand 20-25 feet in the air do you have to worry about cover?

ken3g 12-20-2008 11:41 AM

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Depends on the terrain around your stand. Because a deers vision is just as goodvertical as horizonal.U don't hear people talk about a deers vision that way.

mossbergman11/OH 12-20-2008 11:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: ken3g

Depends on the terrain around your stand. Because a deers vision is just as goodvertical as horizonal.U don't hear people talk about a deers vision that way.
my stand is is at the bottom of a gradual/slow sloping valley.

ken3g 12-20-2008 12:18 PM

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I'd say it wouldn't hurt you to use some, but depends on where deer trails are around your stand and on that slope.IMO.

Remnard 12-20-2008 06:06 PM

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When I put up a ladder stand I usually put it in a hemlock or cedar tree also. Thebest cover for a tree in the open is height. I was getting busted all the time and I started going 5 feet higher and it solved my problem. You need to be out of eyeshot, get above them out of line of sight. Remember that they can see 270 degrees and if you can see any part of their eye, they can pick up your movement. Make sure thereis a tree or brush between you and the deer if you need to get in to position to shoot or move.

sproulman 12-20-2008 06:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Remnard

When I put up a ladder stand I usually put it in a hemlock or cedar tree also. Thebest cover for a tree in the open is height. I was getting busted all the time and I started going 5 feet higher and it solved my problem. You need to be out of eyeshot, get above them out of line of sight. Remember that they can see 270 degrees and if you can see any part of their eye, they can pick up your movement. Make sure thereis a tree or brush between you and the deer if you need to get in to position to shoot or move.
i only get up about 15 ft or 18 ft.

never higher.

i use ladder stand mostly.

i ALWAYS pick tree with limbs sticking out on side and as big as i can find.

wind in small tree is no good in winter, you will sway all over.

now, i like sun at my back,never in my face.no matter which way deer come.

i get busted too,cant stop it ,weather changes etc.

only way to reduce it is too have 2 or 3 stands out.

i guess if i was asked what is most important thing, i would say having your stand in right place for wind.

wind is one you have to worry most about,not the way you look in tree.

gun season, you can get away with not worrying about wind as much as your shots are longer but in archery, man, you have to be downwind ,if you can..

this is why some get up real high, like 30 ft.

I DO NOT SUGGEST ANYONE DO THIS, ITS NOT WORTH IT FOR DEER,TOO HIGH.



dnm 12-20-2008 06:38 PM

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very cool pics!

mossbergman11/OH 12-20-2008 08:05 PM

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what im asking is would it be a better idea to move my stand a little lower to get more cover?

sproulman 12-21-2008 08:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

what im asking is would it be a better idea to move my stand a little lower to get more cover?

if you have WIND in your favor,you can be 6 ft off ground.

if not, higher is better but dont go over 20 ft,too many accidents up that high, not worth any buck for that.

in archery i get about 10 ft off ground,yes, limbs hide me.

i make sure wind is inmy favor but wind changes.

in gun season, not much higher than around 10 ft too but my shots are over 100 yds,not necessary to get high,before a buck winds me, he is goner.

mossbergman11/OH 12-21-2008 10:03 AM

RE: treestand cover and positions
 

ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

what im asking is would it be a better idea to move my stand a little lower to get more cover?

if you have WIND in your favor,you can be 6 ft off ground.

if not, higher is better but dont go over 20 ft,too many accidents up that high, not worth any buck for that.

in archery i get about 10 ft off ground,yes, limbs hide me.

i make sure wind is inmy favor but wind changes.

in gun season, not much higher than around 10 ft too but my shots are over 100 yds,not necessary to get high,before a buck winds me, he is goner.
i use a TON of scent control and the wind is usually in my favor so ill lower it to around 10 feet. ill post up pics

sproulman 12-21-2008 10:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH


ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

what im asking is would it be a better idea to move my stand a little lower to get more cover?

if you have WIND in your favor,you can be 6 ft off ground.

if not, higher is better but dont go over 20 ft,too many accidents up that high, not worth any buck for that.

in archery i get about 10 ft off ground,yes, limbs hide me.

i make sure wind is inmy favor but wind changes.

in gun season, not much higher than around 10 ft too but my shots are over 100 yds,not necessary to get high,before a buck winds me, he is goner.
i use a TON of scent control and the wind is usually in my favor so ill lower it to around 10 feet. ill post up pics
i dont use any of that scent spray .

i smoke my clothes in yard with pine needles and leaves.

it stays on your clothes for longtime.

i seen hunters up 25 ft and still get winded by deer,i seen hunters on ground not get winded.


wind changes and nothing you can do but try to put up more than 1 stand or only hunt your stand on days that wind is in your favor.

i walk into my stand in morning, if wind is wrong ,i leave and go to my other stand.

i only hunt bucks and if you spook a big buck, chances are you will not see him again unless he is rutting.

get WIND right and you dont have to be as high in tree and in gun season, your shots are longer and you can be lower..

my favorite height here in pa is about 15 ft max.

you can see best with this height.

get up 25 ft and see how much you can see in gun season, NOT VERY FAR.

stick to around 12/15 ft max and you will be fine and pick a tree with lots of limbs around you.

i like pine trees best in gun season as i can hunt low and it breaks wind and hides me a lot.



Crow31 12-21-2008 11:30 AM

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You need good cover. You need the wind in your favor. Nobody has touched on noise pollution. Mature bucks spend 90% of their life in a core area of about 20-30 acres. In that small of an area any non-native sound is going to keep a buck away. Old stands, stands that aren't fastened tight enough, stackin' stix that aren't tight enough, they creak and pop. I've spooked deer when climbing up and my wedding band hit stackin' stick. Just a little "ting" can ruin your morning.

sproulman 12-21-2008 11:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Crow31

You need good cover. You need the wind in your favor. Nobody has touched on noise pollution. Mature bucks spend 90% of their life in a core area of about 20-30 acres. In that small of an area any non-native sound is going to keep a buck away. Old stands, stands that aren't fastened tight enough, stackin' stix that aren't tight enough, they creak and pop. I've spooked deer when climbing up and my wedding band hit stackin' stick. Just a little "ting" can ruin your morning.
scents have scared more bucks than anything.

some hunters put it out like after shave lotion.

it scares doe too.

if doe is scared, so will buck.

this is why i use 2 ladder stand locations now.

i dont hunt the same spot everyday, about every 2 days or so.

even then on publicland you have these STALKING HUNTERS, yes, they follow you around ,peeking at you.

they have ruined my hunting more than once .

once they find where you are at, FLOP they sit their fat a right near you.

i feel killing a nice buck today is more luck than skill as skill goes out window on PUBLICLAND NOW.

mossbergman11/OH 12-21-2008 12:10 PM

RE: treestand cover and positions
 

ORIGINAL: Crow31

You need good cover. You need the wind in your favor. Nobody has touched on noise pollution. Mature bucks spend 90% of their life in a core area of about 20-30 acres. In that small of an area any non-native sound is going to keep a buck away. Old stands, stands that aren't fastened tight enough, stackin' stix that aren't tight enough, they creak and pop. I've spooked deer when climbing up and my wedding band hit stackin' stick. Just a little "ting" can ruin your morning.
my parents have 35 acres and i hunt it. i have a ground blind, a stand, and soon 2 other stands that i will hunt out of.
here are pics of my stand location. i have to adjust something becasue the seat is crooked against the tree and it kills my back. tell me what i should do.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.a...age=2&key=

Kybuckhunter 12-21-2008 12:30 PM

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The most important thing is to have cove behind you. I hunt ladder stands a lot and its rare to be picked out. If you have a good tangle of limbs behind you then you will just blend in. You dont need any cover in front of you. Movement is always key in any set up. Thats what gives you away most times.

Crow31 12-21-2008 12:47 PM

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IMO your setup looks great. As far as making it more comfortable, about the only thing you can do is try moving it to one side or the other, or find a different tree.

Summitsitter 12-21-2008 01:29 PM

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I don't worry too much about cover in front of me. When rifle hunting, I set up about 50 to 100 yards from were I expect the deer to appear. The follow pic of my ladder stand is covering a trail crossing a powerline 50 yards from the stand. I only hunt it if the wind is in our favor.

Even while bow hunting, I just make sure I have a good back drop. The key is sitting still. Last night I was sitting in my Summit and two does came within 20 yards of my stand. They were very nervous as it was raining and the wind was picking up. Being 20ft up, I was able to slowly stand and draw on the big doe without her seeing me. Unfortunately it was too dark and I couldn't see her through my peep sight. She never saw me and I had no cover between us. Alot of cover can limit your shot opportunities. Sitting still with little to no cover works better for me.

My son in one of our rifle stand set-ups



mossbergman11/OH 12-21-2008 03:32 PM

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that picture was taken when it was real gloomy out BTW. i will bowhunt there too and i will need to move for that.
i like the idea of lowering it but what would be the DOWNSIDES of lowering it? becasue i just dont want to get busted agin

RJPOUTDOORS 12-21-2008 04:11 PM

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I bow hunt and if I can not find a tree with cover I make my it. In the past I have cut limbs and tied them to my tree. I used old military camo netting one time by hanging it off limbs I have tied in the tree. A couple of years ago a friend of mine was hunting from a ladder stand and he put fake vines and flowers that he got at the dollar store. They were made out of wire and he just wrapped them around the ladder of the stand. I did the same last spring to my bow while hunting turkeys they are real cheap. Good hunting.

sproulman 12-22-2008 08:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH


ORIGINAL: Crow31

You need good cover. You need the wind in your favor. Nobody has touched on noise pollution. Mature bucks spend 90% of their life in a core area of about 20-30 acres. In that small of an area any non-native sound is going to keep a buck away. Old stands, stands that aren't fastened tight enough, stackin' stix that aren't tight enough, they creak and pop. I've spooked deer when climbing up and my wedding band hit stackin' stick. Just a little "ting" can ruin your morning.
my parents have 35 acres and i hunt it. i have a ground blind, a stand, and soon 2 other stands that i will hunt out of.
here are pics of my stand location. i have to adjust something becasue the seat is crooked against the tree and it kills my back. tell me what i should do.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3249936&mpage=2&key=
first ,pick a bigger tree, if you can..

in archery small tree is fine but when wind blows in winter,THAT BIG OLE TREE IS LIFESAVER.

next, see how your tree comes bent out where you sit..

find a tree that bends BACKWARD, the more the better,then you can lean back.

i cant stress how much you need to find a BIG TREE in winter.

i dont even use my climbing stands in winter anymore as they can only fit tree so big and wind moves you around here in pa.

you should have seen guy 75 yds from me the first week of deer SWAYING in tree with climbing stand.

i almost got sea sick watching him but it did let me pass the day watching him.

ladder treestand does work fine on UNSPOOKED deer but with way the deer are SPOOKED here in wmu2g of pa.

climbing stand is one to use now if you want to increase your odds of getting buck.

i may have to go to CLIMBING STAND again after first day of buck season as those hunters are now ruining my hunt and got my area all stunk up and shot out.

so, sproul may go nocturnal next year and use his climbing stand

sproulman 12-22-2008 08:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: RJPOUTDOORS

I bow hunt and if I can not find a tree with cover I make my it. In the past I have cut limbs and tied them to my tree. I used old military camo netting one time by hanging it off limbs I have tied in the tree. A couple of years ago a friend of mine was hunting from a ladder stand and he put fake vines and flowers that he got at the dollar store. They were made out of wire and he just wrapped them around the ladder of the stand. I did the same last spring to my bow while hunting turkeys they are real cheap. Good hunting.
really dont need ANY camo for your stand other than taking black ones and putting the camo paint on the ladder.

this will help keeping it from sticking out to hunters,black color does stick out to hunters .

as for deer, no stand bothers a deer.

now, up where you sit, i agree on camo stuff as it wil allow you to move more.

but, it will flap in wind and make noise.

now, if you can wrap it around where you sit, it could keep wind off your legs, man, thats nice at 15 above here in pa BUT most will make noise in wind.


if you pick a BIG tree, no need for any camo as you will not be to skylined.

this is why i like pine tree the best.

smell of pinein tree MASKS my smell, i smoke my clothes with pine needles/leaves in fire at home,no scents you buy at store for me, i feel they sometimes scare deer away.

no pine trees, i try to find a big a oak or chestnut tree.

mossbergman11/OH 12-22-2008 04:23 PM

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so you think my tree is good or not?

sproulman 12-22-2008 04:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

so you think my tree is good or not?
no,find tree that leans back not ahead or straight

mossbergman11/OH 12-22-2008 08:00 PM

RE: treestand cover and positions
 

ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

so you think my tree is good or not?
no,find tree that leans back not ahead or straight
ok ill try. dam thats gonna be hard to do....................i dont have very many other straight trees but ill look tomorrow.
if im out there a lot tomorrow working and stuff, when do you think the deer will become more comfortable with the area again?

sproulman 12-22-2008 08:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH


ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

so you think my tree is good or not?
no,find tree that leans back not ahead or straight
ok ill try. dam thats gonna be hard to do....................i dont have very many other straight trees but ill look tomorrow.
if im out there a lot tomorrow working and stuff, when do you think the deer will become more comfortable with the area again?
YOU HAVE TO USE TREE YOU HAVE AT TIMES.

IF YOU ARE ONLY IN TREE A FEW HRS, ITS OK, IF YOU ARE YOUNG, ITS OK.

NOW, IF DEER ARE PRESSURED ONLY 3 THINGS WORK,RUT,SOMEONE PUSHING DEER AND BEING IN STAND AT NOON.

PRESSURED DEER WILL FEED AT NOON,NOT AT DAYLIGHT OR SUNSET.6PM THEY HEAD TO FEED AND 4 AM BACK TO HIDE.

ONLY CHANCE IN MY OPINON IS NOON TIME IF YOU ARE TREESIOTTING FOR PRESSURED DEER.

NO PRESSURE, THEN HUNT AT DAYLIGHT/SUNSET.




mossbergman11/OH 12-23-2008 03:11 PM

RE: treestand cover and positions
 

ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH


ORIGINAL: sproulman


ORIGINAL: mossbergman11/OH

so you think my tree is good or not?
no,find tree that leans back not ahead or straight
ok ill try. dam thats gonna be hard to do....................i dont have very many other straight trees but ill look tomorrow.
if im out there a lot tomorrow working and stuff, when do you think the deer will become more comfortable with the area again?
YOU HAVE TO USE TREE YOU HAVE AT TIMES.

IF YOU ARE ONLY IN TREE A FEW HRS, ITS OK, IF YOU ARE YOUNG, ITS OK.

NOW, IF DEER ARE PRESSURED ONLY 3 THINGS WORK,RUT,SOMEONE PUSHING DEER AND BEING IN STAND AT NOON.

PRESSURED DEER WILL FEED AT NOON,NOT AT DAYLIGHT OR SUNSET.6PM THEY HEAD TO FEED AND 4 AM BACK TO HIDE.

ONLY CHANCE IN MY OPINON IS NOON TIME IF YOU ARE TREESIOTTING FOR PRESSURED DEER.

NO PRESSURE, THEN HUNT AT DAYLIGHT/SUNSET.



yeah when i saw the deer when i was squirrel hunting i saw them at 1 o clock. i guess i can just leave it where it is and should i hunt at noon? and what about hunting in the morning or afternoon?

rustynobles 12-23-2008 06:28 PM

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are you gonna be hunting in the morning or in the evening? either way i try to keep the sun to my back, and climb as high as i can to get out of their excellent olfactory system's range (at least 20 ft.). last year it worked great, saw more deer in the 2007 season than ever before, but this year's another story. i've been hunting from the ground alot more and it's more difficult.


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