What makes the midwest so different???
12-11-2008, 03:08 PM
#11
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Iowa
Posts: 233
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
In Iowa I think it’s the following…
Food (nutrition)
DNR (they really have a great program)
Hunting practices
Less people
Shot gun only (except for the southern 2 county rows, they now allow High Powered Rifles due tothe low people and high deer population)
Short shot gun seasons 1st is only 5 days and 2nd is I think 10 days
Crop filed provide lots of cover and again we all know how much corn these deer eat!
Never herd of the soil playing a vital part in non typical bucks… but if some scientist thinks it can then well…
Food (nutrition)
DNR (they really have a great program)
Hunting practices
Less people
Shot gun only (except for the southern 2 county rows, they now allow High Powered Rifles due tothe low people and high deer population)
Short shot gun seasons 1st is only 5 days and 2nd is I think 10 days
Crop filed provide lots of cover and again we all know how much corn these deer eat!
Never herd of the soil playing a vital part in non typical bucks… but if some scientist thinks it can then well…
12-11-2008, 03:32 PM
#12
Spike
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: St.Louis MO
Posts: 99
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
I say available deer resources I hunt in Mid-North Missouri In Mexico,MO there's just fields of corn,beans,and Alphapha but to add to this where I hunt there's a ton of woods for deer to take cover in and its not just Deer were pretty abundant in everything coyote,squirrel,fox all those woodland critters. Would not want to hunt anywhere else!
12-11-2008, 04:49 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: elmira ny
Posts: 1,676
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
ORIGINAL: jeremyjms06
Just curious to your thoughts on this. Why do you think the midwest produces so many monster bucks compared to the rest of the country?? Do you think its just genetics?? The abundance of crop fields that produce the nutrients to grow such large deer?? Buck to doe ratio?? Whats your thoughts??
Just curious to your thoughts on this. Why do you think the midwest produces so many monster bucks compared to the rest of the country?? Do you think its just genetics?? The abundance of crop fields that produce the nutrients to grow such large deer?? Buck to doe ratio?? Whats your thoughts??
IMHO, all the above.
12-11-2008, 05:09 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Platteville, Wisconsin
Posts: 3,203
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
ORIGINAL: crenshaw
Alot of reasons.
1. Lots of food from the agriculture in the area.
2. Tag limits. Most Mid West states only give you 1 to 2 buck tags.
3. Archery during the rut. Prevents a lot of bucks from getting killed.
4. Ohio, Indian, Ill, Iowa all shotgun states, no rifle. That helps a lot.
5.Lower population of people, and larger farms. Compared to other areas of the country population of humans is lower and a lot of the land is farm land, not houses and buildings.
6. People practice management, they are into growing big bucks, not all people but a lot do because of the massive potential.
Alot of reasons.
1. Lots of food from the agriculture in the area.
2. Tag limits. Most Mid West states only give you 1 to 2 buck tags.
3. Archery during the rut. Prevents a lot of bucks from getting killed.
4. Ohio, Indian, Ill, Iowa all shotgun states, no rifle. That helps a lot.
5.Lower population of people, and larger farms. Compared to other areas of the country population of humans is lower and a lot of the land is farm land, not houses and buildings.
6. People practice management, they are into growing big bucks, not all people but a lot do because of the massive potential.
12-11-2008, 05:11 PM
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 6,575
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
To me the midwest is where deer live....
the rest of the areas with deer, are almost like transplants....they're there, but do they really belong? and how good are they?
but i think if deer were managed, just about anywhere can grow monsters....but ya the midwest has alot of great natural things going for it...
the rest of the areas with deer, are almost like transplants....they're there, but do they really belong? and how good are they?
but i think if deer were managed, just about anywhere can grow monsters....but ya the midwest has alot of great natural things going for it...
12-11-2008, 07:42 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Iowa
Posts: 234
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
1) The potential for bitter cold helps to thin out small deer.
2) Here in Iowa, our gun season is after the rut when big bucks are not so sex crazed. Big buck are more likely to survive.
3) Good nutrition in farm country.
4) More selective hunters.
5) Lucky genetics.
I have noticed that more states are producing higher numbers of big deer. I think this is due to more people passing on smaller bucks; a QDM mindset. It also helps that the doe stigma is almost gone. When I was a kid most tags here in Iowa were bucks only and even if you had one of the coveted any sex tags, most hunters would shoot any buck before shooting a doe. Now a large number of hunters will shoot does before they shoot anything but a big buck.
I see pictures of monsters coming out of almost all of the cold weather states now. There are more big deer coming out of the South than in the past too.
Bob
2) Here in Iowa, our gun season is after the rut when big bucks are not so sex crazed. Big buck are more likely to survive.
3) Good nutrition in farm country.
4) More selective hunters.
5) Lucky genetics.
I have noticed that more states are producing higher numbers of big deer. I think this is due to more people passing on smaller bucks; a QDM mindset. It also helps that the doe stigma is almost gone. When I was a kid most tags here in Iowa were bucks only and even if you had one of the coveted any sex tags, most hunters would shoot any buck before shooting a doe. Now a large number of hunters will shoot does before they shoot anything but a big buck.
I see pictures of monsters coming out of almost all of the cold weather states now. There are more big deer coming out of the South than in the past too.
Bob
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12-11-2008, 08:31 PM
#19
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Port Neches, Texas
Posts: 5,514
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
Bits-N-pieces of all the above!
Agricultural states
Less pressure
Archery and Shotgun only
Shorter seasons
Harsh winters, weeding out inferior genetics
With the abundance of bigger bucks, comes better selectivity
Agricultural states
Less pressure
Archery and Shotgun only
Shorter seasons
Harsh winters, weeding out inferior genetics
With the abundance of bigger bucks, comes better selectivity
12-12-2008, 06:51 AM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NOVA
Posts: 780
RE: What makes the midwest so different???
ORIGINAL: salukipv1
To me the midwest is where deer live....
the rest of the areas with deer, are almost like transplants....they're there, but do they really belong? and how good are they?
but i think if deer were managed, just about anywhere can grow monsters....but ya the midwest has alot of great natural things going for it...
To me the midwest is where deer live....
the rest of the areas with deer, are almost like transplants....they're there, but do they really belong? and how good are they?
but i think if deer were managed, just about anywhere can grow monsters....but ya the midwest has alot of great natural things going for it...