Watch this dog FIND a hunter - in Scent Lok
10-30-2008, 12:34 PM
#22
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cambridge Ohio USA
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RE: Watch this dog FIND a hunter - in Scent Lok
I’m sure you do.
Either you have a very disturbing online man crush, or Mr. Michels has multiple personalities and you’re one of them. Either way, you should get some help.
Either you have a very disturbing online man crush, or Mr. Michels has multiple personalities and you’re one of them. Either way, you should get some help.
10-30-2008, 01:02 PM
#24
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 590
RE: Watch this dog FIND a hunter - in Scent Lok
This topic is another example of mob behavior. Once the mob "buys in", no amount of evidence is ever going to change their minds. The mob in this case being those who choose to believe that wearing some fancy clothing item is going to eliminate the billions of scent molecules pouring out of our bodies. (By the way, Field and Stream reported two or three years ago on a study with bloodhounds that concluded scent-lok did not work.)
I've always thought scent lock is a little like nuclear war. Great, so you've got this fancy new defense system that will knock down 9 out of 10 incoming missiles. That's just dandy, but the one that gets through is all it takes to kill you.
I really think the anecdotes about how it "worked that one time" are based in a misunderstanding of how the wind carries scents. As someone who hunts in the mountains, I have a good deal of experience hunting game "against the wind". The reason for this is the wind swirls absolutely all the time. If you're going to hunt only when the wind is "right", you're literally never going to leave your truck. In this setting, it is common for me to have game come downwind for periods of time and not smell me. That's just how the wind works. You put on a new scent-lok suit and you're going to want to credit what is really a random event to your fancy new suit.
I've always thought scent lock is a little like nuclear war. Great, so you've got this fancy new defense system that will knock down 9 out of 10 incoming missiles. That's just dandy, but the one that gets through is all it takes to kill you.
I really think the anecdotes about how it "worked that one time" are based in a misunderstanding of how the wind carries scents. As someone who hunts in the mountains, I have a good deal of experience hunting game "against the wind". The reason for this is the wind swirls absolutely all the time. If you're going to hunt only when the wind is "right", you're literally never going to leave your truck. In this setting, it is common for me to have game come downwind for periods of time and not smell me. That's just how the wind works. You put on a new scent-lok suit and you're going to want to credit what is really a random event to your fancy new suit.
10-30-2008, 01:29 PM
#25
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2008
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RE: Watch this dog FIND a hunter - in Scent Lok
Just a funny quick story for you guys and gals. My "name" is Betterbirddogs because my girlfriend and I raise and field trial pointers. I have 3 females and a male at my house right now. The other night I came home from deer hunting and it was dark. I walked out to my back deck and my dogs were happy as hell to see me just as they always are. I walked out to my building that is directly south of my kennels to get their feeds pans out of my bleach bucket and my lead bitch in my kennel went from being happy to staring very intently at me. She had her nose way up in the air smelling me trying to figure out if it was really me. I just stood there in the dark staring at her and after about 3-5 minutes of this her body posture completely changed and she tucked her tail and headed back to her dog house and stood in it with her head looking out and she let out the lowest, nastiest most menacing growl I have ever heard from a dog. My other dogs shortly followed suit and began barking and growling at me. My lead bitch was 100% convinced that I was someone she had never seen or smelled before and she really had no idea what or who I was. I know these aren't bloodhounds or deer for that matter but its just a little interesting tidbit that I thought I would share. These are proven field trial dogs with choke bore noses that can smell single quail from 35 yards away. I am in no way saying that the scent lok products are fool proof or 100% absolute but to say there is 0% chance they work is as crazy to me as saying there is a 100% chance they work. For what it's worth.
10-31-2008, 11:18 AM
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RE: Watch this dog FIND a hunter - in Scent Lok
This is from the OTHER Scent Lokthread.
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This document from the currentClass Action Lawsuit against Scent Lok and others, claims that Scent Lok's lawyers told Anthony Neuman that SCENT LOK PRODUCTSDID NOT CONTAIN ANITMICROBIAL AGENTS(even though the advertised that they did).
The document STATES THAT SCENT LOK'S LAYWERS ADMITTED THATSCENT LOK DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES.....THEY ADMITTED IT.
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Scent Lok claimed (in their former advertising) that their product had "anitmicrobial agents" in it.
Here is an excerpt from the current lawsuit.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA
Civ. No. 07-3970 (RHK/JJK)
ORDER REGARDING ANTHONY NEWMAN’S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA
Mike Buetow, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Gary Steven Richardson, Jr., individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Joe Rohrbach, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Jeff Brosi, and
Dennis Deeb,
Plaintiffs,
v.
ALS (Scent Lok) Enterprises, Inc.,
Cabela’s, Inc.,
Gander Mountain Company,
Bass Pro Shops, Inc., and
Browning,
Defendants.
… This motion did reveal some information known to Newman, which appears to support Plaintiffs claims, and which would be a proper focus of discovery. The Declaration of Anthony Newman in Support of Motion to Quash Subpoena sets forth Newman’s allegation that Defendant ALS Enterprises, Inc. ("ALS"), admitted to Newman that its clothing did not have antimicrobial, or odor-eliminating properties. (See Newman Decl. ¶ 4.) …
This statment claims that - Scent Lok's lawyers admitted, that their product DID NOT CONTAIN ANITMICROBIAL AGENTS IN THEIR PRODUCT.
And they admitted that their clothing DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES.
What ????
SCENT LOK (allegedly) admitted that their clothing DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES ...
So - what good is it???
Just reporting ... and asking pertinent questions.
Here is an excerpt from the current lawsuit.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA
Civ. No. 07-3970 (RHK/JJK)
ORDER REGARDING ANTHONY NEWMAN’S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA
Mike Buetow, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Gary Steven Richardson, Jr., individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Joe Rohrbach, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;
Jeff Brosi, and
Dennis Deeb,
Plaintiffs,
v.
ALS (Scent Lok) Enterprises, Inc.,
Cabela’s, Inc.,
Gander Mountain Company,
Bass Pro Shops, Inc., and
Browning,
Defendants.
… This motion did reveal some information known to Newman, which appears to support Plaintiffs claims, and which would be a proper focus of discovery. The Declaration of Anthony Newman in Support of Motion to Quash Subpoena sets forth Newman’s allegation that Defendant ALS Enterprises, Inc. ("ALS"), admitted to Newman that its clothing did not have antimicrobial, or odor-eliminating properties. (See Newman Decl. ¶ 4.) …
This statment claims that - Scent Lok's lawyers admitted, that their product DID NOT CONTAIN ANITMICROBIAL AGENTS IN THEIR PRODUCT.
And they admitted that their clothing DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES.
What ????
SCENT LOK (allegedly) admitted that their clothing DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES ...
So - what good is it???
Just reporting ... and asking pertinent questions.
This document from the currentClass Action Lawsuit against Scent Lok and others, claims that Scent Lok's lawyers told Anthony Neuman that SCENT LOK PRODUCTSDID NOT CONTAIN ANITMICROBIAL AGENTS(even though the advertised that they did).
The document STATES THAT SCENT LOK'S LAYWERS ADMITTED THATSCENT LOK DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES.....THEY ADMITTED IT.
