THE REAL obama
10-23-2008, 07:44 AM
#63
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2006
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RE: THE REAL obama
[quote]ORIGINAL: hammerman
And what proof do you have that he's a good man? He did very little in Illinois and he's done nothing great in the senate. And his character and choice of relationships is very questionable. He has no real leadership experience.
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
Agree, why am i going to spend $10,000 a year to go to college and make something of myself to have it taken away from me and given to someone who decided they wanted to be a bum the rest of their lives? To be its B.S. Lets punish the ones who suceed!!! GREAT PLAN OBAMA... not
MCCAIN/PALIN
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Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan
His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!
Agree, why am i going to spend $10,000 a year to go to college and make something of myself to have it taken away from me and given to someone who decided they wanted to be a bum the rest of their lives? To be its B.S. Lets punish the ones who suceed!!! GREAT PLAN OBAMA... not
MCCAIN/PALIN
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10-23-2008, 08:31 AM
#64
Spike
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 35
RE: THE REAL obama
For those of you who spoke of Pres. Lincoln
During this election year let's be reminded of these words:
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, written years ago and we still don't get it..
During this election year let's be reminded of these words:
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, written years ago and we still don't get it..
10-23-2008, 08:51 AM
#65
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: St. Marys, Georgia
Posts: 168
RE: THE REAL obama
Want Facts?
GUN CONTROL:
Take a look at the crime rates and firearms related murders in places like Austrailia after their weapons ban.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=15304
SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE:
So-called Universal Healthcare amplifies all problems:
1) Reduces patient incentives to find the best possible prices for the best possible services/products available.
Patients in the U.S. who receive "free" (taxpayer-funded) health care have no incentive to conserve their health care dollars. Care is "free" so they visit the doctor's office several times a month or request "free" prescriptions for over-the-counter medication such as Tylenol.
2) Reduces physician incentives to provide competitive care and reduces drug companies' incentives to provide new drugs and treatments.
With no incentive to provide quality care, physicians and nurses leave the government-monopolized area for better opportunities in a freer country. Shortages result. Drug companies are hindered by price controls and regulations and soon cease research and development of new medication. In the U.S., start-up drug companies cannot afford to run the FDA gauntlet, so the market is dominated by a few established corporations.
3) Steals from your wallet to pay for my health care.
Yes, you do have a right to health care, just as you have a right to food, shelter and property. However, you have no "right" to force others to provide these things for you - All "free" medical care is subsidized through taxes stolen from other people.
4) The quality of "free" health care will deteriorate and the average citizen will get sicker.
As the poor and middle-class wait in agony for simple procedures, those with resources can travel to other countries for treatment.
5) Destroys your privacy.
Suddenly your problems are mine and mine are yours. If you eat unhealthy foods or drive a motorcycle without a helmet, I have a direct interest in your business - you are going to see a provider on my tax dollars. Your neighbors might support government bans on smoking, "unsafe" sex or other "risky" behaviors to reduce costs. Politicians will use the federal bureaucracy to force you and your family to comply with programs such as the "New Freedom Commission on Mental Health".
6) Destroys your liberty.
When you blindly support a system that bestows power on politicians and bureaucrats, they will receive their orders from those with the most money - and this will not be you, your friends or your family. The power of government will be used against you as you are forced to use medicines or accept treatments from well-connected health care companies.
A quick search shows that pharmaceutical companies donated $152,437,727 to political campaigns since 1990. Who do you think has the ear of those elected politicians?
Conversely, if government power is eliminated (e.g., abolish the FDA - whose restrictions benefit the most powerful companies by eliminating most competition), those same companies would have to use their funds and resources to sell their drugs to the most people in the least expensive, most reliable and safest way. They would need to outperform their competitors to get your money - otherwise they lose business.
If this is what you want to happen go ahead and vote for NOBAMA...Just ask Germany and Russia what it was like to live under a socialist dictator! If you are to blind to see that these Liberals want nothing more than complete control over you daily lives and rights. Just ask people from MA about their gun rights and all the hoops they have to jump thru just to own a firearm. When you need an FID card to purchase BB's and Pellets for your kids air gun there is a problem. In MA you have to get a permit to wipe your own ass practically. You need a permit for this, and you need a permit for that...you cant do this on your property...thats because the knuckleheads here voted in a buch of liberals to run their state. To me liberalism=Socialism in sheeps clothing.
GUN CONTROL:
Take a look at the crime rates and firearms related murders in places like Austrailia after their weapons ban.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=15304
SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE:
So-called Universal Healthcare amplifies all problems:
1) Reduces patient incentives to find the best possible prices for the best possible services/products available.
Patients in the U.S. who receive "free" (taxpayer-funded) health care have no incentive to conserve their health care dollars. Care is "free" so they visit the doctor's office several times a month or request "free" prescriptions for over-the-counter medication such as Tylenol.
2) Reduces physician incentives to provide competitive care and reduces drug companies' incentives to provide new drugs and treatments.
With no incentive to provide quality care, physicians and nurses leave the government-monopolized area for better opportunities in a freer country. Shortages result. Drug companies are hindered by price controls and regulations and soon cease research and development of new medication. In the U.S., start-up drug companies cannot afford to run the FDA gauntlet, so the market is dominated by a few established corporations.
3) Steals from your wallet to pay for my health care.
Yes, you do have a right to health care, just as you have a right to food, shelter and property. However, you have no "right" to force others to provide these things for you - All "free" medical care is subsidized through taxes stolen from other people.
4) The quality of "free" health care will deteriorate and the average citizen will get sicker.
As the poor and middle-class wait in agony for simple procedures, those with resources can travel to other countries for treatment.
5) Destroys your privacy.
Suddenly your problems are mine and mine are yours. If you eat unhealthy foods or drive a motorcycle without a helmet, I have a direct interest in your business - you are going to see a provider on my tax dollars. Your neighbors might support government bans on smoking, "unsafe" sex or other "risky" behaviors to reduce costs. Politicians will use the federal bureaucracy to force you and your family to comply with programs such as the "New Freedom Commission on Mental Health".
6) Destroys your liberty.
When you blindly support a system that bestows power on politicians and bureaucrats, they will receive their orders from those with the most money - and this will not be you, your friends or your family. The power of government will be used against you as you are forced to use medicines or accept treatments from well-connected health care companies.
A quick search shows that pharmaceutical companies donated $152,437,727 to political campaigns since 1990. Who do you think has the ear of those elected politicians?
Conversely, if government power is eliminated (e.g., abolish the FDA - whose restrictions benefit the most powerful companies by eliminating most competition), those same companies would have to use their funds and resources to sell their drugs to the most people in the least expensive, most reliable and safest way. They would need to outperform their competitors to get your money - otherwise they lose business.
If this is what you want to happen go ahead and vote for NOBAMA...Just ask Germany and Russia what it was like to live under a socialist dictator! If you are to blind to see that these Liberals want nothing more than complete control over you daily lives and rights. Just ask people from MA about their gun rights and all the hoops they have to jump thru just to own a firearm. When you need an FID card to purchase BB's and Pellets for your kids air gun there is a problem. In MA you have to get a permit to wipe your own ass practically. You need a permit for this, and you need a permit for that...you cant do this on your property...thats because the knuckleheads here voted in a buch of liberals to run their state. To me liberalism=Socialism in sheeps clothing.
10-23-2008, 10:01 AM
#66
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Utah by way of Pennsylvania
Posts: 395
RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: USAF_hunter
I like your enthusiasm young man. We will talk more once you have been in for more than an enlistment. That is if your Active Duty. And my head has been in the game 4 times, for nothing.
ORIGINAL: pahntr760
If anyone is complaining about deployments because of this WAR ON TERROR, then they need to get out. I don’t want a jaded prick beside me fighting when i need his head in the game. Here is the deal. We are sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. To think that the war is not fight AMERICAN enemies, then you are miss led. It is our JOB to deploy and fight, bottom line!!!
ORIGINAL: USAF_hunter
If you have friends or family in the military that have been hit with the long deployments and war the last 7 yrs you know who to vote for. If you want the President working on issues in the U.S. and not be the world's police you know who to vote for. There are much bigger issues right now besides what kind of gun you will be abe to hunt with.
If you have friends or family in the military that have been hit with the long deployments and war the last 7 yrs you know who to vote for. If you want the President working on issues in the U.S. and not be the world's police you know who to vote for. There are much bigger issues right now besides what kind of gun you will be abe to hunt with.
If anyone is complaining about deployments because of this WAR ON TERROR, then they need to get out. I don’t want a jaded prick beside me fighting when i need his head in the game. Here is the deal. We are sworn to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. To think that the war is not fight AMERICAN enemies, then you are miss led. It is our JOB to deploy and fight, bottom line!!!
I like your enthusiasm young man. We will talk more once you have been in for more than an enlistment. That is if your Active Duty. And my head has been in the game 4 times, for nothing.
That’s some excellent leadership traits. Good going! You must be an excellent supervisor. I am active duty, on my second enlistment and I have been deployed/ TDY 30% of my career. Your thoughts are sending a horrible message to you all the Airmen around you. Bottom line, we are in the military. Iraq and the other areas of operation are our battle field. We must take the fight to the enemy, not wait for another 9-11. And the most important fact, Obama WILL NOT get us out of Iraq. It sounds like you have been around a while, so how would you like to go back to the ways of Clinton, with 1% pay raises and horrible military support?!?! Don’t patronize me with the 'young man' BS. I may have only been in a short while, in relation to others, but i do realize what goes on in the Air Force and what our job is.
10-23-2008, 06:52 PM
#67
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Navasota Texas
Posts: 854
RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: appleater25
Well I am an undecided voter, so if you could let me in on how this man is going to hurt our country "soooooooo bad" and how the other guy will help us out soooooo much, please clear it all up for me so I can make an informed decision.
Well I am an undecided voter, so if you could let me in on how this man is going to hurt our country "soooooooo bad" and how the other guy will help us out soooooo much, please clear it all up for me so I can make an informed decision.
Do you hunt?
Do you shoot guns?
And do you want to be able to realistically afford to buy ammo?
Then NOBAMA...
10-23-2008, 08:17 PM
#68
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 297
RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: Foofer
It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.
JOBS is four letters idiot
It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.
JOBS is four letters idiot
Hey 1shot quit writing inside the quote idiot.
10-24-2008, 08:35 PM
#69
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 109
RE: THE REAL obama
Hey Sunburned down in FL, I thought I would bring up your post again. You stated that Obama is a Christian. How do you know this? He was raised in foreign countries, attending Muslim based schools. He was a member of(and close friend of the pastor of) a church that the pastor GD's America. When questioned about it, he stated that he never heard the pastor say that type of stuff. If you can, answer this for me. What kind of man will sit voluntarily in a church Sunday after Sunday listening to a pastor with explosive statements like that? The media can play it off anyway they want to, but when you sit in a church every Sunday, you know your pastors feelings on a lot of subject matter. Obama knew about how the preacher was, and still attended that church. In my book, he must agree with what the preacher was saying, or else he would have went elsewhere. Okay, now point number two. I do not know of another politcian that has been so PRO ABORTION. I do not know how a man can claim to be a christian, when he feels it is his decision to let live or kill. I may get blasted by some people for that comment, but I dont care. As a christian, I feel life and death decisions are up to God, not me. The kids he looks at so wonderfully, I wonder how many he and his wife have aborted? Did he and Michelle let a baby that was born alive (as part of a failed abortion) lay in a soiled linen closet for the last bit of its tiny and helpless life? If not, how could he vote against the rights of these babies? As a family man myself, there is no way I could consider voting for this man. As for him being a christian, thats not for you or me to judge. He has known associations with a terrorist, and many other shady people. I dont see that being brought up about John McCain. McCain is former military, having given years of HIS own life in a pow camp. He is pro-guns, pro-life, and I can say that I feel that the man really speaks from his heart. He may not be the best speaker, but I feel that he is the better choice.
10-26-2008, 01:30 PM
#70
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Roanoke, Virginia
Posts: 2,335
RE: THE REAL obama
ORIGINAL: Sport4
Hey 1shot quit writing inside the quote idiot.
ORIGINAL: Foofer
It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.
sorry didnt know it was a big deal [&:][&:][&:]
JOBS is four letters idiot
It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.
sorry didnt know it was a big deal [&:][&:][&:]
JOBS is four letters idiot
Hey 1shot quit writing inside the quote idiot.